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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 18:58:39 »
Looks like some idiot decided to trespass near Acton! Presumably you then followed a unit from Bath - Bristol too. It all depends on the driving I find!
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2008, 13:44:07 »
I can't see how removing the buffet can help reduce journey times. Huh

Yes it is lighter, but does it really make that much difference?

As for a trolley.........!  Cheesy

Why not remove a first class coach?
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2008, 14:58:22 »
Here is a relevant quote from the Network Rail Business Plan 2007 :

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On the Paddington to Bristol and Paddington to Oxford routes High Speed Train sets will be reduced in formation by the removal of the buffet coach. This reduction in train weight will improve performance. However, seating reconfiguration will provide additional seating capacity.
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2008, 18:58:48 »
Quote from: Lee Fletcher on February 12, 2008, 14:58:22
Here is a relevant quote from the Network Rail Business Plan 2007 :

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On the Paddington to Bristol and Paddington to Oxford routes High Speed Train sets will be reduced in formation by the removal of the buffet coach. This reduction in train weight will improve performance. However, seating reconfiguration will provide additional seating capacity.

I'm still not convinced.

And also, as the Buffet car has no standard seating, what do they mean by "seating reconfiguration will provide additional seating capacity?" I take it that they won't remove tables in First Class!
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2008, 19:02:06 »
2+7 HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s do seem to keep time better, worked one again the other day (coach B missing, not a high density set!!) and we were early everywhere! they could just build a smaller buffet area in a TSO▸ (The Stationary Office (now OPSI), or, possibly Trailer Standard Open (carriage), depending on context) and have an extra standard coach!
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2008, 19:09:04 »
A bit like the micro buffets they retrofitted into some Mk 2s 20 years or so ago? Sounds like a good idea, though I'm not sure I would want to work in one all day.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2008, 19:14:53 »
Quote from: vacman on February 12, 2008, 19:02:06
they could just build a smaller buffet area in a TSO▸ (The Stationary Office (now OPSI), or, possibly Trailer Standard Open (carriage), depending on context) and have an extra standard coach!

I can see the next step now... run it in a 1+1+6 formation, call the mini-buffet a "Refresca Cafe Bar" and rebadge them as "Mark II Adelantes"  Grin
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2008, 20:05:25 »
Quote from: Ptolemy on February 12, 2008, 19:14:53
Quote from: vacman on February 12, 2008, 19:02:06
they could just build a smaller buffet area in a TSO▸ (The Stationary Office (now OPSI), or, possibly Trailer Standard Open (carriage), depending on context) and have an extra standard coach!

 "Refresca Cafe Bar"

 Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2008, 22:21:11 »
Quote from: Ptolemy on February 12, 2008, 19:14:53
Quote from: vacman on February 12, 2008, 19:02:06
they could just build a smaller buffet area in a TSO▸ (The Stationary Office (now OPSI), or, possibly Trailer Standard Open (carriage), depending on context) and have an extra standard coach!

I can see the next step now... run it in a 1+1+6 formation, call the mini-buffet a "Refresca Cafe Bar" and rebadge them as "Mark II Adelantes"  Grin

And then give first a discount as they become rammed and dont have the same service or supply (do you know how often there is no white wine left by oxford on the 1722/1822)

I dont like the way thi is heading
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2008, 17:00:53 »
Quote from: Mookiemoo on February 12, 2008, 22:21:11
Quote from: Ptolemy on February 12, 2008, 19:14:53
Quote from: vacman on February 12, 2008, 19:02:06
they could just build a smaller buffet area in a TSO▸ (The Stationary Office (now OPSI), or, possibly Trailer Standard Open (carriage), depending on context) and have an extra standard coach!

I can see the next step now... run it in a 1+1+6 formation, call the mini-buffet a "Refresca Cafe Bar" and rebadge them as "Mark II Adelantes"  Grin

And then give first a discount as they become rammed and dont have the same service or supply (do you know how often there is no white wine left by oxford on the 1722/1822)

I dont like the way thi is heading

Take your own wine? Tongue
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2008, 03:33:42 »
Was told today that the trials are now suspended UFN▸ (Unpaid Fare Notice, or 'until further notice', depending on context ).
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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2008, 07:29:26 »
Confirms what a TM▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) told me yesterday.
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2008, 14:16:33 »
I seem to remember reading in the railway press that a 2 + 7 HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) [without a buffet] would be able to save 7 minutes on the Bristol to Paddington run. This saving was not going to be used for reduced journey time but to aid timekeeping.
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2008, 16:47:30 »
They could save 3/4 mins if they ran at linespeed between Reading and Swindon  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2008, 17:52:24 »
What speed do they run at? 110?
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