Bakerloo Line at Paddington

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[ChrisB]

You are right....unless this has changed recently, a ticket was wrongly refused at Oxford Circus in my presence.

[JayMac]

I think the ticket encoding allows one underground entrance and one exit in Zone 1 on tickets marked with a cross London transfer. I don't think the magstripe is able to hold data about specific Underground stations.

I've broken my cross London journey on a few occasions and have never had an Underground barrier refuse my ticket.

[Fourbee]

I've broken my cross London journey on a few occasions and have never had an Underground barrier refuse my ticket.

I seem to remember an occasion where I went straight from Euston to Waterloo on the Northern Line with a maltese cross routing. Let me in at Euston, didn't let me out at Waterloo and the member of staff who let me out implied I was pulling a fast one. I suppose it could be one of those where your mileage may vary.

[Tim]

Definiteky won't let you out any any station on Oxford Street, and very probably others

If your National Rail ticket has a 'cross London' marker (e.g. ^^' ANY PERMITTED) then you can exit at any intermediate Underground station on routes between the National Rail London Terminals you'd be using on your journey. What you can't do is re-enter the Underground with the same ticket.

I stand corrected. 

[paul7575]

The underground stations which are allowed (preferred?) for 'cross London' transfer journeys are not just in Zone 1, and not just main line terminals either, both of which have been suggested earlier in the thread.   There's a full list on the National Rail website here:

Aldgate, Amersham, Baker Street, Balham, Bank, Barking, Blackfriars, Blackhorse Road, Brixton, Canada Water, Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Ealing Broadway, Edgware Road, Elephant & Castle, Embankment, Euston, Euston Square, Farringdon, Finsbury Park, Greenwich (DLR^▸ (Docklands Light Railway)), Highbury & Islington, Kensington Olympia, Kentish Town, Kings Cross /St Pancras, Lancaster Gate, Lewisham (DLR), Limehouse, Liverpool Street, LondonBridge, Marylebone, Moorgate, Old Street, Paddington, Queens Park, Richmond, Seven Sisters, Shadwell, Shepherds Bush, Southwark, Stratford, Stratford International (DLR), Tottenham Hale, Tower Hill, Upminster, Vauxhall, Victoria, Walthamstow Central, Waterloo, West Brompton, West Ham, West Hampstead, Whitechapel, Wimbledon, Woolwich Arsenal (DLR).

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/46587.aspx#travelling_connect

There's a difference between being allowed by the rules to exit at any intermediate station on a possible route between 'appropriate stations' on that list, and it being automatically allowed by the barriers.

Paul

[PhilWakely]

The underground stations which are allowed (preferred?) for 'cross London' transfer journeys are not just in Zone 1, and not just main line terminals either, both of which have been suggested earlier in the thread.   There's a full list on the National Rail website here:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/46587.aspx#travelling_connect

There's a difference between being allowed by the rules to exit at any intermediate station on a possible route between 'appropriate stations' on that list, and it being automatically allowed by the barriers.

Paul

I regularly travel between Pinhoe/Exeter and Flitwick which requires transfer between Paddington or Waterloo and the Thameslink service. More often than not, West Hampstead is suggested as the interchange station rather than St Pancras or Farringdon - although, of course that would mean using a slower Thameslink service.

[paul7575]

I regularly travel between Pinhoe/Exeter and Flitwick which requires transfer between Paddington or Waterloo and the Thameslink service. More often than not, West Hampstead is suggested as the interchange station rather than St Pancras or Farringdon - although, of course that would mean using a slower Thameslink service.

I think that's a 'feature' of the way the planners calculate the total transfer time.  The main National Rail termini have much longer allowances set for the walk around the station and down to or up from the underground platforms.

I often see suggestions to change at Vauxhall (if there's a suitable change onto a train that stops there) for the Victoria line to Kings Cross, rather than carry on to Waterloo as you'd intuitively do.

Paul

[IndustryInsider]

Will be interested to hear how our forum's regular commuters get on with these arrangements over the next few weeks.

[Electric train]

Will be interested to hear how our forum's regular commuters get on with these arrangements over the next few weeks.

On the recent past on the Circle / District line performance over the last few weeks ................... miserably.

 

[TaplowGreen]

Will be interested to hear how our forum's regular commuters get on with these arrangements over the next few weeks.

I work near London Bridge so it's normally train to Paddington, Bakerloo to Baker Street then Jubilee to London Bridge - I'm going to go train to Ealing Broadway, Central Line to Bond Street and pick up the Jubilee line there, tried it last week and seemed OK, coming home I'll probably get off the Bakerloo at Edgware Road and walk to Paddington.

[NickB]

Will be interested to hear your experiences TG as I do the same journey. I'm thinking that in the way home the Circle Line is a... circle so I'll be able to link back to Paddington without the trauma of the H&C, or more specifically the major station bottlenecks at Paddington to reach the H&C.
I went to London on Saturday and tried out a couple of routes. Both doubled the connection time to Baker Street to 20mins, and that was without any passenger volume.

[TaplowGreen]

Will be interested to hear your experiences TG as I do the same journey. I'm thinking that in the way home the Circle Line is a... circle so I'll be able to link back to Paddington without the trauma of the H&C, or more specifically the major station bottlenecks at Paddington to reach the H&C.
I went to London on Saturday and tried out a couple of routes. Both doubled the connection time to Baker Street to 20mins, and that was without any passenger volume.

It wouldn't have been too bad this morning had GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) not cancelled the first 6 London bound trains from Taplow (and the Reading bound ones too so no nipping over to Maidenhead!)

As it was, Mrs TG dropped me at Slough, Ealing Broadway to Bond Street on the Central Line was OK but the Jubilee Line at 0830? Horrendous.

[ChrisB]

I use the eastbound trains from Padd at Baker Street & no discernible extra pax coming through from Paddington via Edgware Road disembarking this morning. In fact, I got a seat....

[TonyK]

Just watching, nothing to say.

[chrisr_75]

I use the eastbound trains from Padd at Baker Street & no discernible extra pax coming through from Paddington via Edgware Road disembarking this morning. In fact, I got a seat....

Influence of school holidays? West London road traffic & buses have been exceptionally quiet since last week...

Real test will be when the schools are all back in a week or so from now.