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Presumably a terrorist trained to use a Class 57?
Yes I know about 9/11 and their training, but I'm unaware of any training schools where terrorists can get private train driving lessons suuficient for them to take control of a mainline train. Maybe a driving day on a heritage railway, but that's it.
For what reason should we be protecting train driving cabs? I think the threat is non-existent. A terrorist is far more likely to want to be in a passenger area.
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I did wonder what drivers would think of the suggestion. Thanks for clarifying a-driver.
I was a bit surprised how quickly this thread escalated to 'terrorist threat' when there was zero evidence.
I have heard today from a normally reliable internal source at GWR▸ it was a mental health patient involved, still wearing the hospital tags. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 01:33:50 » |
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I did wonder what drivers would think of the suggestion. Thanks for clarifying a-driver.
I was a bit surprised how quickly this thread escalated to 'terrorist threat' when there was zero evidence.
I have heard today from a normally reliable internal source at GWR▸ it was a mental health patient involved, still wearing the hospital tags. Not at all surprising, it was either that or someone drunk/high on something rather than anything more sinister. As suggested earlier, I would imagine the driver probably coaxed them in in some way in order to remove them from the rather hazardous environment of the trackside rather than it being a forced entry of some sort. |
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2015, 05:50:36 » |
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From the BBC» A danger of unauthorised access to (or operation of) rail equipment: A Boston subway train which left its station without a driver and travelled to four other stations was tampered with, say officials.
Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker said "somebody who knew what they were doing" was involved.
The train, which was heading towards central Boston, was carrying 50 people, none of whom were hurt.
The train operator was mildly injured because the train brushed him as it began to move.
Mr Baker told Boston's Herald Radio that officials have not determined whether the tampering was "negligence versus something else".
Officials found that a safety device meant to prevent the rail cars from operating without a driver was altered. |
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2015, 08:04:28 » |
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Or 'faulty' maintenance by authorised person(s)
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2015, 08:41:12 » |
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Presumably a terrorist trained to use a Class 57?
Yes I know about 9/11 and their training, but I'm unaware of any training schools where terrorists can get private train driving lessons suuficient for them to take control of a mainline train. Maybe a driving day on a heritage railway, but that's it.
For what reason should we be protecting train driving cabs? I think the threat is non-existent. A terrorist is far more likely to want to be in a passenger area.
Well if they hadn't considered it before, any terrorists looking for targets now know they have another soft one to aim at. |
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2015, 10:35:45 » |
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Presumably a terrorist trained to use a Class 57?
Yes I know about 9/11 and their training, but I'm unaware of any training schools where terrorists can get private train driving lessons suuficient for them to take control of a mainline train. Maybe a driving day on a heritage railway, but that's it.
For what reason should we be protecting train driving cabs? I think the threat is non-existent. A terrorist is far more likely to want to be in a passenger area.
Quite right. When NR» reopened a yard at March on part of the old Whitemoor marshalling yard, the prison service objected on trains operating again on the (perhaps) reasonable ground that noise would disturb prisoners in MHP Whitemoor which had been build on part of the site and also on the rather stupid grounds that someone could hijack a train and drive it into the prison wall as part of an escape bid! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3174107.stmIMHO▸ , whilst a driver in a cab might want to take precautions about someone wanting to enter the cab to mess about or nick his/her bag, a terrorist is more likely to be able to do more damage with a truck or bus than a train. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2015, 10:49:34 » |
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I have heard today from a normally reliable internal source at GWR▸ it was a mental health patient involved, still wearing the hospital tags. Somewhat surprised they let them on the sleeper in the first place.... |
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2015, 10:51:31 » |
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Well if they hadn't considered it before, any terrorists looking for targets now know they have another soft one to aim at.
Access to the cab does vary from train to train. Without going into details it's fair to say that newer trains are generally more difficult to access without keys than older ones. Agreed with others that it's a very unlikely target for a terrorist, when compared to the ease of sitting on board with the passengers. A terrorist would have to do an awful lot of training to be able to drive a train and cause an accident, and would, as a result, be in possession of all the relevant access keys as a result so it wouldn't matter if the door was locked or not anyway! That's not to say that drivers shouldn't be vigilant, and most are, though locking the access door on, for example, a Turbo, is a little awkward and potentially dangerous for the driver to escape in an emergency - as 'a-driver' stated. |
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2015, 20:39:58 » |
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I have heard today from a normally reliable internal source at GWR▸ it was a mental health patient involved, still wearing the hospital tags. Somewhat surprised they let them on the sleeper in the first place.... But if its someone who is discharged and not accompanied there are no checks when boarding as long as someone has a ticket. |
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2015, 14:52:46 » |
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Even with the hospital tags?
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2015, 17:16:19 » |
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Even with the hospital tags?
Why would a hospital tag mean anything to any train crew or station staff? |
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2015, 17:34:49 » |
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It would pique my interest sufficiently to maybe have a quiet word...peoke din't generally go around wearing these
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2015, 19:44:49 » |
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...peoke din't generally go around wearing these
Assuming you have had a hospital stay, have you ever tried removing these tags without a pair of scissors or even thought about it upon discharge? |
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2015, 20:13:17 » |
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In my very recent experience, hospitals won't let you out wearing them as they could be a security ridk. Yes, seriously.
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