Electrification - so Cascade - so congestion easing - delayed.

[whole diary]

[ChrisB]

As many as that? Gatwick & Greenfords, yes....

[Adelante_CCT]

Gatwicks will require at least 9 when the new half-hourly Reading to Gatwick starts plus the Shalford/Redhill stoppers, possibly requiring 10 during peaks.
Greenfords x 2
If Henley and Windsor are not electrified then another 2 possibles? (At least temporarily)
Last I heard Marlow hadn't been decided on with regards to electrification in which case another possible 2.
Newbury to Bedwyn requires 1 (though whether this is based at Reading or Westbury/Bristol I do not know.
The Basingstoke branch requires 2 or 3 until electrification is carried out, possibly not until the early 2020s.

[paul7575]

[scotrail HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) delivery]
...They will need to be modified before they go into service with ScotRail, to incorporate such features as power operated doors and other requirements (RVAR, PRM^▸ (Persons with Reduced Mobility)-TSI) to allow them to operate into 2020 and beyond.

When compared with the dates of departure from GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway), they have at least a year in hand to modify them.   The numbers are all replaced by bi-mode SETS, and there is no suggestions that they won't arrive in time to release HSTs.

Paul

[ChrisB]

Even if the wires are late & they're needed to cover the electric IEPs^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project. This will offer more capacity on routes, save money, give a consistent and safe service and meet customer requirements. Intended to replace HSTs.) (assuming they don't get the diesel engines rumoured)

[Tim]

[scotrail HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) delivery]
...They will need to be modified before they go into service with ScotRail, to incorporate such features as power operated doors and other requirements (RVAR, PRM^▸ (Persons with Reduced Mobility)-TSI) to allow them to operate into 2020 and beyond.

When compared with the dates of departure from GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway), they have at least a year in hand to modify them.   The numbers are all replaced by bi-mode SETS, and there is no suggestions that they won't arrive in time to release HSTs.

Paul

Agreed.  It looks like Scotland's plans are unlikely to gang aft agley.

There is also the possibly of derogations from the technical requirements (power doors etc).  HMG has to date not indicated any inclination to grant any, but a few months hear or there for a small number of vehicles might not be impossible. 




Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.

[Timmer]

It was reported on BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) Spotlight last night that GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) are looking into running shorter HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) to cover local services in Devon and Cornwall because of the expected delays in the rolling stock cascade. A test run, which I think is reported elsewhere on this forum, took place late last year using a five coach HST.

[bobm]

I understand experiments were run with 2+4 and 2+5 and the braking on the latter configuration was found more acceptable.

[Surrey 455]

Gatwicks will require at least 9 when the new half-hourly Reading to Gatwick starts plus the Shalford/Redhill stoppers, possibly requiring 10 during peaks.
Greenfords x 2
If Henley and Windsor are not electrified then another 2 possibles? (At least temporarily)
Last I heard Marlow hadn't been decided on with regards to electrification in which case another possible 2.
Newbury to Bedwyn requires 1 (though whether this is based at Reading or Westbury/Bristol I do not know.
The Basingstoke branch requires 2 or 3 until electrification is carried out, possibly not until the early 2020s.

I didn't think 165 or 166s ran on the Basingstoke branch any more.

[John R]

You're correct, but I would expect they would revert to Turbo stock though once enough units were available.

[Jason]

I didn't think 165 or 166s ran on the Basingstoke branch any more.

I have no clue about what is supposed to run on the Basingstoke branch but anecdotally it has been a mixture of Turbos and 150's for quite some time.

[IndustryInsider]

I have no clue about what is supposed to run on the Basingstoke branch but anecdotally it has been a mixture of Turbos and 150's for quite some time.

Weekdays, it's supposed to be the two Class 150s from start of service until around 9pm when Turbos finish the day off.  Weekends exclusively Turbos.  However, with a fleet of two and a daily allocation of two it's certainly not uncommon to find one of the two daily diagrams covered by a Class 166 - toady is an example of that.

[bobm]

I thought one of the 150s had gone back west - or was that only for the summer?

[IndustryInsider]

Pretty sure they're both at Reading at the moment, just that 150001 is stopped.

[litecactus]

Pretty sure they're both at Reading at the moment, just that 150001 is stopped.

It was 2 turbos on Thursday, I couldn't see any of them at the depot. I've heard rumours that 150001 is getting repainted green.

[IndustryInsider]

Yes it could well be away at the paint shop - think that both units are based at Reading still though.  Certainly the drivers diagrams have both units allocated to 150s still.