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« Reply #300 on: April 03, 2023, 18:44:43 » |
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To be more precise, Paris has voted to ban hired e-scooters. Private ones are still legal – so it's the exact opposite of the UK▸ legal situation!
There is some logic in the Paris approach. One of the big issues with hire scooters is having them left laying around all over the place, whereas with a private scooter more care will be taken of them. Another is that riders will tend to be more committed and experienced and know better what they are doing. Of course, one disadvantage of the Paris approach is that it reduced commercial opportunity. I think there's quite a lot of logic in it, in fact. To be more precise, Paris has voted to ban hired e-scooters. Private ones are still legal – so it's the exact opposite of the UK legal situation!
Also, I'm not sure what the legal definition of Paris is, but with only 1.38 million electorate, it's clearly only a small part of the metropolitan area. And as for the turnout, clearly most people aren't bothered one way or the other.
Indeed - as is often the case, most of those with strong enough feelings to go out and vote were antis. Given that the main arguments have been about safety, that's not a surprise. It's hard to say what they think about private ones - that owners would be more careful riders, or that there would never be many of them (even if hiring is no longer possible), or what. Nor is it possible to compare that with here, since we have the inverse problem: riders of private scooters are a sample biased towards being irresponsible. Administrative Paris ( département 75) is Paris "intra muros", where the wall was Adolphe Thiers's one of the 1840s. After failing spectacularly to do anything useful in 1870, it was taken down - mostly in the 1920s - and slowly replaced by various things, including a huge number of sporting facilities, and the péripherique. When you walk across the gap to the banlieu outside, the contrast in the style of buildings, street layout, nature of the shops, etc, is in some places quite stark. Thank you for the historical background. I think I did actually know it was Dept. 75 but didn't realise how comparatively recently the wall came down. |
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« Reply #301 on: May 17, 2023, 19:23:07 » |
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GWR▸ has now announced a ban on electric scooters on board and at stations. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/traffic/23529077.gwr-bans-e-scooters-stations-due-safety-fears/Great Western Railway is banning all passengers from carrying electric scooters on services or stations.
Customers will no longer be able to take e-scooters on to Great Western Railway trains or stations which the company operates from Sunday, May 21.
This will include Swindon railway station as well as others in Wiltshire such as Chippenham, Trowbridge and Westbury.
The company said it was concerned over the fire risk posed by lithium batteries.
In an update to its policy, it said: "This follows a number of incidents on the UK▸ rail and tube network where lithium-ion batteries in e-scooters have been associated with severe overheating, increasing the risk of fire.
"If unchecked, this carries particular risks in enclosed spaces on board trains."
The firm said the ban was because of the current lack of regulation around e-scooters. (Continues in link above)
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« Reply #302 on: May 17, 2023, 20:52:09 » |
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GWR▸ has now announced a ban on electric scooters on board and at stations. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/traffic/23529077.gwr-bans-e-scooters-stations-due-safety-fears/Great Western Railway is banning all passengers from carrying electric scooters on services or stations.
Customers will no longer be able to take e-scooters on to Great Western Railway trains or stations which the company operates from Sunday, May 21.
This will include Swindon railway station as well as others in Wiltshire such as Chippenham, Trowbridge and Westbury.
The company said it was concerned over the fire risk posed by lithium batteries.
In an update to its policy, it said: "This follows a number of incidents on the UK▸ rail and tube network where lithium-ion batteries in e-scooters have been associated with severe overheating, increasing the risk of fire.
"If unchecked, this carries particular risks in enclosed spaces on board trains."
The firm said the ban was because of the current lack of regulation around e-scooters. (Continues in link above) More and more ToC's are doing this. SE Trains have announced the same policy |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #303 on: May 17, 2023, 21:41:12 » |
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I had a scan at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading today and had to slip on a gown in one of the changing rooms. In the other changing room a member of staff, presumably, had parked his e-scooter.
(And to switch to another of my pet dislikes, phone zombies, I was walking back through the town centre, feeling a little groggy after 45 minutes of being zapped, when I had to avoid an electric mobility wheelchair whose young driver was intent on her phone.)
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« Reply #304 on: May 17, 2023, 23:53:39 » |
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GWR▸ has now announced a ban on electric scooters on board and at stations.
I saw an A-board poster in Wokingham station announcing this (and the change in bike reservation rules) today. It has also made it into GWR's FAQs▸ and their "Travelling with your bike" section: From 21 May, 2023, customers will no longer be able to bring e-Scooters onto GWR trains or stations.
This follows a number of incidents on the UK▸ rail and tube network where lithium-ion batteries in e-Scooters have been associated with severe overheating, increasing the risk of fire.
If unchecked, this carries particular risks in enclosed spaces on board trains.
Unlike other personal mobility devices such as e-bikes or mobility scooters, e-Scooters are not currently regulated, and are not required to meet minimum safety standards for vehicles.
Customers bringing e-Scooters onto GWR trains or stations will be asked to leave. Unattended e-Scooters will be treated as abandoned and will be safely disposed of. The demandating of reservations is not announced with a date, just a change in the words. Presumably that's because they don't need to tell us about not having to do something, they can just cah=nge the words and they'll be correct within a ferw days. |
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« Reply #306 on: May 18, 2023, 08:14:45 » |
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Indeed, and trains now have sockets. Seen someone trying to chaege an e-scooter on a turbo…don’t want a fire on a train!
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« Reply #307 on: May 18, 2023, 08:46:25 » |
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It is time the Government put actual legislation on these "stored energy" ie battery powered transport devices aka e-scooters, monowheels, bikes etc. The current method of regulating them is via back door methods. I would suggest same rules as mopeds, min age 16, crash helmet, max specified speed and power, registered and insured (third party min) I sure there would be claims of big brother Government and I sure the same was said in 1960 Learner laws introducedChanges to Motorcycle Learner Law - All new riders are limited to riding 250cc machines with L-plates and 1971 – New learner age raised to 17 - Anyone wishing to ride a 250cc with L-plates must be at least 17. 16 year olds can still ride mopeds (49cc). and 1977 – Mopeds restricted to 30mph All those changes were made in light of changes in technology, prevention of injury and preservation of life https://www.lightningpass.com/changes-motorcycle-learner-law/ |
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« Reply #308 on: May 18, 2023, 08:57:34 » |
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Yes, but those rules relate to riding the things. What we lack in this case is product safety legislation and standards. Presumably there is some for the hired scooters, but those are less likely to be taken on trains, and the private e-scooters are back to Victorian free-for-all.
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« Reply #309 on: May 18, 2023, 23:33:05 » |
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I noticed a Northern Rail sign at Heysham Port that said that E-scooters and hoverboards were banned on their trains. Marty McFly will be disappointed.  |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #310 on: May 19, 2023, 06:31:29 » |
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Yes, but those rules relate to riding the things. What we lack in this case is product safety legislation and standards. Presumably there is some for the hired scooters, but those are less likely to be taken on trains, and the private e-scooters are back to Victorian free-for-all.
If you start with regulations for riding the regulations then the current construction and use regulations for road vehicle can be amended to include e-scooters etc Hire scooter main driver for their construction is possibly driven by the insurance provider the operator will have and the Local Authority granting the operating licence |
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« Reply #311 on: May 25, 2023, 15:20:40 » |
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To my surprise, it turns out Trading Standards are actually enforcing some rules! At least at one port. https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/thousands-of-unsafe-e-bikes-and-e-scooters-are-being-seized-at-uk-ports-4551Suffolk Trading Standards has warned that growing numbers of e-bikes and e-scooters are being seized or refused entry to the UK▸ due to safety concerns. It says that in the past two years over 13,000 e-scooters and e-bikes have been seized at the Port of Felixstowe alone.
As well as the seizures, 9,000 e-scooters have also been refused entry by its Imports Surveillance team for failing to meet the requirements for marking, instructions, and essential safety documentation.
In a large proportion of cases, officers found that batteries and chargers for the vehicles posed a serious risk of fire or electric shock.
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« Reply #313 on: June 02, 2023, 07:31:00 » |
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The notices I have seen in GWR▸ stations, and from what I've heard on local media, have all stated that they are not allowed on all GWR services, so I have been assuming it is a specific GWR ban.
Has there been any national advice or is it a GWR initiative?
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« Reply #314 on: June 02, 2023, 08:08:08 » |
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The notices I have seen in GWR▸ stations, and from what I've heard on local media, have all stated that they are not allowed on all GWR services, so I have been assuming it is a specific GWR ban.
Has there been any national advice or is it a GWR initiative?
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