E-bike and E-scooter - ongoing issues and discussion (merged posts)

[whole diary]

[MVR S&T]

I dont have a passport, then what? Some form of ID card, with your vaccination status on it....

[TaplowGreen]

I dont have a passport, then what? Some form of ID card, with your vaccination status on it....

Then walk? 

[MVR S&T]

Walking is what I generally do now, and for some reason the Christchurh area of the Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole area for the Beryl bike scheme, does not allow the scooters anyway.

[TaplowGreen]

Walking is what I generally do now, and for some reason the Christchurh area of the Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole area for the Beryl bike scheme, does not allow the scooters anyway.

Your walking is much safer as a result.

[TonyK]

I dont have a passport, then what? Some form of ID card, with your vaccination status on it....

You've got me there. I have a passport AND a driving licence, AND my vaccination status on the NHS app on my phone, tablet, PC and laptop. Copies of all of these are saved in the cloud, just in case. Good luck with resolving the issue, but there's no need to worry about me.

[eightf48544]

Saw one this am in Bourne End (Bucks). At least they were in the road but I don't think Bourne end is one of the trial zones!

[TonyK]

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.

[TaplowGreen]

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.

Shocking, but not surprising.

[Red Squirrel]

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.

Shocking, but not surprising.

Without figures to tell us the rates of death and injury per 1000 km, we can't tell whether these figures are worse than other modes of transport or better.

[TonyK]

Without figures to tell us the rates of death and injury per 1000 km, we can't tell whether these figures are worse than other modes of transport or better.

Very true, which is why I reported it without comment. Not may people died in car accidents until there were a lot of cars, and the sample is too small to draw any sort of conclusion, which won't stop some people. It is more difficult by the presence of both licenced and unlicenced versions of the same vehicle.

[Red Squirrel]

E-scooter rider risks losing driving licence after crashing while twice the alcohol limit
They now face losing their licence after being caught under the influence following the collision
An e-scooter rider was caught by police being twice the alcohol limit after a crash in Bristol

They now face losing their licence after being caught under the influence following the collision.

The crash happened on Wednesday (June 23).

Police issued a warning on social media in a tweet which said: "A reminder that you can be arrested for drink driving while using an electric scooter.

"This rider was involved in a road traffic collision on Weds evening in Bristol, blew 75 (legal limit 35) at the roadside and risks losing his licence for a year."

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Source: Bristol Live

[broadgage]

This sounds overly strict to me.
As far as I know the rider of a cycle (including an electrically assisted type) is not liable to breathalyzer testing nor to loss of their car driving licence if found riding whilst drunk.

A drunken cycle rider CAN be prosecuted, but only if badly impaired through drink and NOT simply for being over the limit for driving a car.

IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion) scooter riding should be encouraged, and if riders wish to break their fool necks, that is up to them. Whilst there is some risk to other and sober road users these risks are arguably no worse than those presented by drunk pedestrians.
We allow drunk walking, unless so bad that arrest and prosecution for being drunk and disorderly is reasonable.

[TaplowGreen]

And here's another moron....this one has been banned, so one less drunk on the roads.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/drink-driving-e-scooter-rider-5588105?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[Bmblbzzz]

Technically speaking, we don't allow drunk walking. It is an offence under, IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly), Section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872 to be drunk in any road or public place. In practice, strict enforcement of this law would lead to at least half the population being jailed, including the police, judges and prison officers, so actually there would be legal justice system left. Law is anarchy! 

You can also lose your driving licence for any offence whatsoever, it doesn't have to be a driving offence. I can't remember what act that's from but it's 21st century.

[TonyK]

This sounds overly strict to me.
As far as I know the rider of a cycle (including an electrically assisted type) is not liable to breathalyzer testing nor to loss of their car driving licence if found riding whilst drunk.

It's a motor vehicle, so is subject to the same Road Traffic Act.

(This removes possibly the only reason why I would ever ride one)