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« Reply #135 on: July 19, 2021, 15:26:46 »

From the possibly unreliable memory of my younger days the (non-railway) pier used to be primarily for pedestrians, with just the occasional staff member's car.  Pedestrians gained access via the Esplanade station platform and I think the pier toll may even have matched the rail fare so you either walked or caught the train for the same price depending on timing. My family walked 4 abreast along the pier, excited to be arriving on the island. The gradual shift to encouraging vehicle access has resulted in pedestrians being made to feel quite unwelcome, confined to a narrow marked strip so that vehicles could drive faster, and even the seats/shelters along the pier barriered off.   This has unfortunately happened in tandem with the rail service gradually being run down so I suspect most locals now drive or are driven, a vicious circle that is likely to go round a second time if the convenience of catching the train straight to the ferry from other Island Line stations is lacking for much longer.
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« Reply #136 on: July 20, 2021, 17:00:58 »

Now rumours of another problem.

Suggestions the new trains won't run past the Esplanade and onto Ryde Pier

https://www.islandecho.co.uk/ryde-pier-toll-to-be-abolished-this-week-but-50p-added-to-fastcat-journeys/

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There has been some suggestion that Island Line trains won’t be running to Ryde Pier Head when services finally resume, which could explain today’s news, although an announcement from South Western Railway is yet to be made.
Might be a 2+2 = 5 situation, from what I’ve read before the present contract only covers the platform overlay work at Pier Head, there is a separately funded NR» (Network Rail - home page) project to overhaul the pier structure itself that was always planned to happen later.  So maybe there is another separate closure period planned - unless they can generally work from below…

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« Reply #137 on: July 22, 2021, 18:02:55 »

Any news yet on when it's expected to reopen?
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« Reply #138 on: July 22, 2021, 18:04:44 »

Any news yet on when it's expected to reopen?

Within the next year  Grin
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« Reply #139 on: July 22, 2021, 20:57:38 »

Any news yet on when it's expected to reopen?

According to the ticketing system at  0635, St John's Rd to Pier Head, on 1st Aug 2021 !!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #140 on: July 22, 2021, 22:26:29 »

Still pathed as a class 483 mins!   Grin
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« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2021, 11:23:31 »

The “on the Wight” website has a completely different story about the pier (compared to the earlier news in reply #118)  - based on questions to Network Rail this time, and much more positive:

https://onthewight.com/ryde-piers-railway-line-is-having-work-carried-out-on-it-heres-what-weve-found-out/

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« Reply #142 on: July 23, 2021, 11:26:27 »

Copied from other island line thread, as we seen to have a duplicate discussion:


The “on the Wight” website has a completely different story about the pier (compared to the earlier news in reply #118 of the other thread)  - based on questions to Network Rail this time, and much more positive:

https://onthewight.com/ryde-piers-railway-line-is-having-work-carried-out-on-it-heres-what-weve-found-out/

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« Reply #143 on: July 23, 2021, 14:21:55 »

The “on the Wight” website has a completely different story about the pier (compared to the earlier news in reply #118)  - based on questions to Network Rail this time, and much more positive:

https://onthewight.com/ryde-piers-railway-line-is-having-work-carried-out-on-it-heres-what-weve-found-out/

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It isn't often that an inspection by anybody, let alone NR» (Network Rail - home page), reveals that the condition of the item being examined isn't as bad as was assumed. Usually, there is a sharp intake of breath...
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« Reply #144 on: July 24, 2021, 13:58:27 »

The “on the Wight” website has a completely different story about the pier (compared to the earlier news in reply #118)  - based on questions to Network Rail this time, and much more positive:

https://onthewight.com/ryde-piers-railway-line-is-having-work-carried-out-on-it-heres-what-weve-found-out/

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It isn't often that an inspection by anybody, let alone NR» (Network Rail - home page), reveals that the condition of the item being examined isn't as bad as was assumed. Usually, there is a sharp intake of breath...

It’s odd, but the whole project seems to have been a “pessimism magnet” for years. How many times have we read that the track is shot, the entire third rail power system is life expired, the trains won’t fit the tunnels, and lastly that the pier is about to fall over...  Huh

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« Reply #145 on: July 24, 2021, 18:09:38 »


the entire third rail power system is life expired,


It was certainly in need of a lot of work doing to it, which it has now had
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« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2021, 11:48:42 »


the entire third rail power system is life expired,


It was certainly in need of a lot of work doing to it, which it has now had
I was thinking of suggestions a few years back in various places it would almost certainly be removed. Probably by battery fans, determined to force a prototype into use where it wasn’t needed…
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« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2021, 13:55:41 »

I was thinking of suggestions a few years back in various places it would almost certainly be removed. Probably by battery fans, determined to force a prototype into use where it wasn’t needed…

My wife has a battery fan, which I think cost €1.99, and is practically useless.

On the matter of battery powered trains, I keenly await the entry into service of something battery powered, so we can see how it works in real life. Perhaps then, we can forget all about it, other than maybe for very short gaps in electrical feed, and move on to proving that hydrogen is no use for railway vehicles. I may very well be wrong, and will accept that with my customary good grace if and when it happens.
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« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2021, 19:14:11 »

Hydrogen  may have a role, but its fans seldom mention that ~60% electrolysis efficiency x ~60% fuel cell efficiency means you are losing nearly two thirds of your energy.  There has to be a lot of "spare " renewable energy around to make that make sense. The technology should improve,  but is it really going to get up to say 80% for  both steps so that overall losses are lower than what you end up with?
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« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2021, 21:13:07 »

Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse.

https://www.islandecho.co.uk/flood-warning-in-force-as-a-months-worth-of-rain-falls-in-just-hours/

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Environment Agency (EA) officials say that the water level in the Monktonmead Brook continues to rise with a month’s worth of rainfall recorded in just 4 hours – a total of 55mm.

According to the EA, water could flow from the railway tracks into the main buildings at the Ryde St John’s train station depot. It could also flood outbuildings and plant and vehicles near Park Road.
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