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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 22:02:41 » |
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It's not as if we aren't told at every station stop "please take a moment to check that you have all your personal belongings with you before leaving the train".
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JayMac
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 22:11:52 » |
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Last time I left something on a train I'd had my headphones on the entire journey, bar the ticket check. I'd not have heard the reminder.
Also I think it had been proven that people tune out repetitive messages.
As for charges for storing and returning lost property, I have no issue with that provided they are reasonable, reflect only the actual cost and are not profit motivated.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2015, 00:31:58 » |
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I'd say ^14.80 per item would be a fair price. Obviously I'd want more money for larger items (if it was down to me).
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2015, 01:03:52 » |
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I'd say ^14.80 per item would be a fair price. Obviously I'd want more money for larger items (if it was down to me).
Purely as a matter of idle curiosity on my part, Penzance-Paddington: how did you arrive at such a precise figure of ^14.80 as being "a fair price" for you to charge? |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2015, 10:51:59 » |
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I'd say ^14.80 per item would be a fair price. Obviously I'd want more money for larger items (if it was down to me).
I'd say that was excessive for a bunch of keys, jumper, ticket wallet/railcard... |
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2015, 14:16:47 » |
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I'd say ^14.80 per item would be a fair price. Obviously I'd want more money for larger items (if it was down to me).
I'd say that was excessive for a bunch of keys, jumper, ticket wallet/railcard... By the time you have added up the staff, administration costs etc it adds up to around the ^15 mark. If you employ 2 members of staff in one office to deal with it for example, that could cost around ^180 a day just in staff wages. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2015, 14:38:11 » |
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Not only that, the property had to be securely transferred from wherever its recovered to the LPO. That costs money too.
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 15:56:54 » |
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If you employ 2 members of staff in one office to deal with it for example, that could cost around ^180 a day just in staff wages.
^11.25 an hour? Wow!  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2015, 16:26:31 » |
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Including employer NI & pension...not so wow!
Try & get similar level staff from an agency & you'll get an idea of gross staffing costs
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2015, 16:27:04 » |
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If you employ 2 members of staff in one office to deal with it for example, that could cost around ^180 a day just in staff wages.
^11.25 an hour? Wow! About right if a TOC▸ is doing their own LPO using staff on a general station grade salary. Guessing external companies will pay closer to the minimum wage for staff in thier left-luggage / lost-property offices (such as Excess Baggage). |
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2015, 16:35:14 » |
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In most station, even up to quite large ones, nobody is specifically employed to deal with lost property, it is just part of the job description of, for example, a member of platform dispatch staff. Of course there are costs involved, but only the very large stations have dedicated staff employed. Personally I feel a small charge is warranted for items and that charge should raise depending on how long the item has been kept (and its value), but to charge ^15 to pick up a brolley or bunch of keys is frankly absurd and fortunately the TOCs▸ think so to.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2015, 21:35:56 » |
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In most station, even up to quite large ones, nobody is specifically employed to deal with lost property, it is just part of the job description of, for example, a member of platform dispatch staff. Of course there are costs involved, but only the very large stations have dedicated staff employed. Personally I feel a small charge is warranted for items and that charge should raise depending on how long the item has been kept (and its value), but to charge ^15 to pick up a brolley or bunch of keys is frankly absurd and fortunately the TOCs▸ think so to.
How much would you charge for small items and how much would you charge for large/designer items like laptops and tablets? |
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2015, 22:02:06 » |
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In most station, even up to quite large ones, nobody is specifically employed to deal with lost property, it is just part of the job description of, for example, a member of platform dispatch staff. Of course there are costs involved, but only the very large stations have dedicated staff employed. Personally I feel a small charge is warranted for items and that charge should raise depending on how long the item has been kept (and its value), but to charge ^15 to pick up a brolley or bunch of keys is frankly absurd and fortunately the TOCs▸ think so to.
How much would you charge for small items and how much would you charge for large/designer items like laptops and tablets? No doubt you Pen-Pad would find a way to criminalise losing property on the railway and charge accordingly. |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2015, 22:31:09 » |
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In most station, even up to quite large ones, nobody is specifically employed to deal with lost property, it is just part of the job description of, for example, a member of platform dispatch staff. Of course there are costs involved, but only the very large stations have dedicated staff employed. Personally I feel a small charge is warranted for items and that charge should raise depending on how long the item has been kept (and its value), but to charge ^15 to pick up a brolley or bunch of keys is frankly absurd and fortunately the TOCs▸ think so to.
How much would you charge for small items and how much would you charge for large/designer items like laptops and tablets? No doubt you Pen-Pad would find a way to criminalise losing property on the railway and charge accordingly. I find that question uncalled for. I know many of us (myself included) had good cause to disagree with the posters view on another subject. But to effectively raise the issue again, on a completely different topic, and in response to a perfectly reasonable question, seems to be goading Penz - Pad to respond. |
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2015, 22:38:12 » |
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How much would you charge for small items and how much would you charge for large/designer items like laptops and tablets?
I think the ATOC» sliding scale of ^3, ^5, ^10 and ^20 is probably about right, though I'd probably reduce the payment by half if the item is collected quickly, say within 3 days. It's a customer friendly act by GWR▸ if it's waiving all charges, but I'd have no qualms personally about paying those amounts of I'd been silly enough to leave something behind. However, if the item concerned causes a security alert, perhaps the person collecting should be charged for the delay minutes they cause.  |
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