profit first, safety second?

[whole diary]

[dog box]

This statement has been mentioned in the SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) thread and i thought that prehaps it would warrant discussion, prehaps the people who think this would like to give us all a few hard facts and evidence as to where this has been the case.
Do they really think first management are instructiing staff to cut corners where safety is concerned? or do they think the Staff have a casual attitude to safety?
Safety is an always will be paramount on the Railway even if it causes delays, in my experience First are one of the best Tocs with very high standards and no member of staff iknow would ever work in a manner which is not safe.
and to the person who mentioned why some train managers walk the length of the train checking doors at un manned platforms and some dont, remember this ......my doors my arse!!

[grahame]

Speaking personally, I cannot say that I have ever felt unsafe / seen safety knowingly compromised in the persuit of profit by FGW^▸ (First Great Western).  But I would agree with "passengers third" in some circumstances; the "bottom line" certainly comes ahead of providing trains at appropriate times in our TransWilts neck of the woods.

[BandHcommuter]

Profits and safety are not mutually exclusive. Unsafe practices have repercussions in terms of direct losses, compensation, consequential loss, business interruption and reputational damage, in addition to the human factors. In the case of a railway operator, I would imagine that they would put their operating licence and safety case acceptance at risk if they knowingly cut corners, and would therefore lose their business completely. I, personally, have never felt unsafe using our railways.

and to the person who mentioned why some train managers walk the length of the train checking doors at un manned platforms and some dont, remember this ......my doors my arse!!

That person might have been me - it was a genuine, nosy question from a passenger (I have no agenda), so perhaps you could expand on your answer (which I confess I didn't quite understand ). Is it simply that some are more cautious than others, or maybe are still getting accustomed to the new arrangements?

[Ollie]

The issue with the doors is down to having a door on the catch, which would mean it is not securely closed.

This is a safety issue, and can have consequences for any of the staff involved in the dispatch of that service.

So for a TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) having to check himself, that would be why, he needs to cover himself.

[dog box]

quite right Ollie.....Doors on catch cause paperwork, stopping out of course, contacting signal man, checking line for people who might have fell out, locking doors out of use, and the old favorite delays

[vacman]

I must say that First seem to take safety very seriously, there is a First motto that appears on nearly every piece of paperwork we recieve from them and it says "if you cannot do it safely, DON'T DO IT!"

[Jim]

I must say that First seem to take safety very seriously, there is a First motto that appears on nearly every piece of paperwork we recieve from them and it says "if you cannot do it safely, DON'T DO IT!"

Or the other moto: "SafetyFIRST"

[smokey]

First Buses put Profit First, Safety Second, otherwise how else can you explain all the First Group Buses that get ORDERED OFF THE ROAD by vehicle examiners.

Like Father, Like Son.

First Bus, First Great Western it's the same top management!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Timmer]

First Buses put Profit First, Safety Second, otherwise how else can you explain all the First Group Buses that get ORDERED OFF THE ROAD by vehicle examiners.

Like Father, Like Son.

First Bus, First Great Western it's the same top management!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really like First don't you Smokey 

[vacman]

First Buses put Profit First, Safety Second, otherwise how else can you explain all the First Group Buses that get ORDERED OFF THE ROAD by vehicle examiners.

Like Father, Like Son.

First Bus, First Great Western it's the same top management!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As i've said in a previous post, along with a colleague from FGW^▸ (First Great Western), FGW seem to take safety very seriously, more so than Wessex, are you actually in a position to comment on FGW's safety policy? do you work for them?

[smokey]

First Group RUIN my life!!!!

[vacman]

First Group RUIN my life!!!!

How do they do that then?

[Conner]

First Group RUIN my life!!!!

That seems unlikely...

Have they killed anyone close to you?
Have they ran off with your wife?
Have they threatend to kill you?

I don't think so.

[vacman]

First Group RUIN my life!!!!

That seems unlikely...

Have they killed anyone close to you?
Have they ran off with your wife?
Have they threatend to kill you?

I don't think so.

Me thinks smokey should get out more!!

[Conner]

First Group RUIN my life!!!!

That seems unlikely...

Have they killed anyone close to you?
Have they ran off with your wife?
Have they threatend to kill you?

I don't think so.

Me thinks smokey should get out more!!

I seem to remeber you saying that before.