Night tubes will lead to a reduction in night buses?

[whole diary]

[paul7575]

There was a consultation process published last month, they definitely do intend to modify night buses on relevant nights, but basically keep the same routes without the Friday/Saturday extras, so there will be a 'reduction of the extras'.   However they also refer to some new routes being introduced to complement the tube.  Worth a read, but they seem to me to have covered all the bases:

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/consultation-launched-on-night-bus-services

Paul

[Surrey 455]

Night Buses tend to follow the route of the tube lines. With these tubes running all night, there'll be less demand, that's for sure. But whether they'd amend frequency/routes just for Friday/Saturday nights, I doubt it's worth it.

Not neccesarily. Many buses at night are 24 hour routes which do not run parallel to tube lines. Many night only buses also do not follow underground lines.

[ChrisB]

So they're "24ghour services", not "Night Buses" then?....

[didcotdean]

There are both - ie some buses that run only at night rather than routes that are the same night and day.

The distinction is becoming increasingly blurred as London becomes increasingly a constantly working city; about half of those on the buses running overnight are commuting to/from work not travelling for leisure. The proportion between 7pm and 10pm on the tube network is approaching two-thirds, well after the 'traditional' rush-hour of a 9-5 job is over.

[ChrisB]

Quite. And everyone (other than tourists who simply use the routre number & call it a bus) know the difference

[Surrey 455]

Routes that only run at night will have an N prefix although that doesn't necessarily mean that its route is different to those which run during the day. For example route N207 follows the exact route of daytime 207 but is extended at both ends.

[Bmblbzzz]

"TfL^» (Transport for London - about) rubbish claims 1,000 buses will be scrapped to pay for Night Tube"
is an awful crash blossom of a headline.

[ChrisB]

From a tube driver on Twitter discussing TfL^» (Transport for London - about)'s proposals to them & why they've voted to strike, written in a style of Boss meets driver....

You currently work Monday to Friday 14:00 - 22:00 and work 2 weekends out of 4 right?

 Well not anymore. You now work Monday to Thursday 14:00 - 22:00, Friday and Saturday you will work 23:00 - 07:00. The good news is there Is over 24 hours between finishing Thursday night and starting work Friday night so we are going to call this one of your days off, even though you will finish at 07:00 you can take Sunday as your other day off. You are also going to work 7 out of 8 weekends now as well.
 Great eh? The best is yet to come.
 We aren't going to pay you a bean more!

 So what do you think?
 Actually i'm just being polite, we really don't give a toss what you think, we are imposing it so you are going to do it.

 What do you mean you are not happy with it?

 Of course I realise you will see a hell of a lot less of your husband and children, i'm not stupid, that is basic mathematics and also unimportant. I'm actually a little offended you would consider such to be of greater importance than Coffee Inc, your real family.
 Let me remind you of our corporate motto "live to work, not work to live"

 What do you mean you are going to withdraw your labour?

[Surrey 455]

From a tube driver on Twitter discussing TfL^» (Transport for London - about)'s proposals to them & why they've voted to strike, written in a style of Boss meets driver....

You currently work Monday to Friday 14:00 - 22:00 and work 2 weekends out of 4 right?

 Well not anymore. You now work Monday to Thursday 14:00 - 22:00, Friday and Saturday you will work 23:00 - 07:00. The good news is there Is over 24 hours between finishing Thursday night and starting work Friday night so we are going to call this one of your days off, even though you will finish at 07:00 you can take Sunday as your other day off. You are also going to work 7 out of 8 weekends now as well.
 Great eh? The best is yet to come.
 We aren't going to pay you a bean more!

 So what do you think?
 Actually i'm just being polite, we really don't give a toss what you think, we are imposing it so you are going to do it.

 What do you mean you are not happy with it?

 Of course I realise you will see a hell of a lot less of your husband and children, i'm not stupid, that is basic mathematics and also unimportant. I'm actually a little offended you would consider such to be of greater importance than Coffee Inc, your real family.
 Let me remind you of our corporate motto "live to work, not work to live"

 What do you mean you are going to withdraw your labour?

How did he manage to get all of that into a tweet?

[ChrisB]

Twit Longer....try it.

[grahame]

From Hammersmith Today

The RMT^▸ (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) is claiming that the night tube service on the Piccadilly line is in crisis with only a third of the trains currently operational and passengers having to wait up to an hour.

The tube union say the problem is due to a lack of trained train operators available to run the service. They say that they have been informed that one weekend this month there were only seven trains running on the line instead of the scheduled 22. The RMT understands that the problems could continue until Christmas.

The union says the situation is raising safety concerns for their members who have to deal with angry and sometimes intoxicated passengers who have experienced extended delays.

They claim that the lack of drivers is not down to sickness or industrial action but London Underground’s lack of planning in getting enough drivers trained in time and that the issue has been further exacerbated by management’s reluctance to fully take on board a number of concerns raised by the RMT.