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« Reply #211 on: April 25, 2016, 19:07:07 » |
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I posted a few days ago (I guess in the wrong thread) that they're postponed till September
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« Reply #212 on: April 25, 2016, 19:23:56 » |
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I understood no other changes until then. So Greenfords are ok
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« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2016, 15:52:56 » |
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The first photo of the first new build 387 from Modern Railways twitter feed
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« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2016, 16:24:46 » |
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Still set up for DC▸ pickup then. That'll come in handy on the "Gatwicks" at some time in the future.
(Or on diversions into Waterloo, or extensions beyond Basingstoke, or various other fantasy schemes...)
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« Reply #215 on: May 13, 2016, 17:43:54 » |
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« Reply #216 on: May 13, 2016, 19:58:16 » |
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Still set up for DC▸ pickup then. That'll come in handy on the "Gatwicks" at some time in the future.
(Or on diversions into Waterloo, or extensions beyond Basingstoke, or various other fantasy schemes...)
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Standard build I suspect easier to leave them as contracted than to vary to contract, the shoe beam can be removed later. Also I suspect initially the Unit will be maintained at Selhurst until the GWR▸ depots get skilled up and set up to maintain them, so the shoe gear will be needed to run them out of North Pole and along the West London Line |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #217 on: May 13, 2016, 20:36:40 » |
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Are these to be maintained at North Pole? Thought they are replacing the turbos in Reading
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« Reply #218 on: May 13, 2016, 21:24:08 » |
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Are these to be maintained at North Pole? Thought they are replacing the turbos in Reading
Will do in the longer term, but the initial Padd Hayes service will not have wires to Reading, the only electrified route on and off of the GWML▸ is via North Pole onto the West London Line, which is still signalled, and wired 25kV with the transition to 3rd rail at Westway |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #219 on: May 13, 2016, 23:08:01 » |
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Yes, fair point - and it now has been moved and merged, in the interests of continuity and ease of future reference.  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #220 on: May 14, 2016, 08:44:07 » |
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Are these to be maintained at North Pole? Thought they are replacing the turbos in Reading
It was suggested below that North pole is only the route for getting them to Selhurst rather than being the place where maintenance would be carried out initially. Also I suspect initially the Unit will be maintained at Selhurst until the GWR▸ depots get skilled up and set up to maintain them, so the shoe gear will be needed to run them out of North Pole and along the West London Line
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« Reply #221 on: May 28, 2016, 12:18:57 » |
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I don't think this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there is a very confident story in Modern Railways this month that GWR▸ will not be getting the GTR 387's after all, but will be getting 37 brand shiny new units instead. 8 of these are the ones currently under construction, to be followed by the remaining 14 from the Porterbrook speculative build, topped up by an additional order of 15 units.
Good news for Bombardier if this is the case - the incremental extensions to the production line all add up to a tidy volume.
The report also suggests that GWR are cooling on the Class 365s, and would prefer a further build of AT300s. Also that they are still looking at a few hybrid Class 387s!
The final point to note is that this will be the last order for the Class 387 in their current form. All the cabs have to be built by the end of September else they won't comply with updated crashworthiness regulations. Quite who sees fit to demand a further increase in crashworthiness is beyond me, given that the recent safety record on the railways would suggest that the incremental benefit must be miniscule.
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« Reply #222 on: May 28, 2016, 12:33:26 » |
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The final point to note is that this will be the last order for the Class 387 in their current form. All the cabs have to be built by the end of September else they won't comply with updated crashworthiness regulations. Quite who sees fit to demand a further increase in crashworthiness is beyond me, given that the recent safety record on the railways would suggest that the incremental benefit must be miniscule.
There was some discussion of this in wnxx, and I saw some doubt about the cut off date, with a well placed insider saying it is actually September 2017. But in any case the cab sub assemblies only have to be started, they don't have to be fitted onto units at that date. Paul |
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« Reply #223 on: May 29, 2016, 09:45:41 » |
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It would certainly make things a little easier if they're all new build as the internal colour scheme can be fitted out as GWR▸ want it with no modifications on the (admittedly fairly neutral) GTR interiors. Bit puzzled why AT300s would be preferred to 365s though? The 365s were to become part of the suburban fleet for which the AT300s would be unsuitable, and we're always being told how stupidly expensive to lease the Hitachi trains are going to be?
The scenario I could see developing is that electrification is being delayed so much that the 387s would be able to cover what diagrams are needed until the Class 345 Elizabeth Line trains start to take over the majority of the suburban services in 2019, when the 387s would then be able to cover delayed electrification routes such as Oxford, so there would be no need for 365s in that event. Perhaps a few more AT300s could then be obtained to deal with any capacity shortages on the main line services?
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To view my GWML▸ Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/ |
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« Reply #224 on: May 29, 2016, 10:15:02 » |
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How realistic/practical is it to make a few Class 387^s into hybrids, and what would the time scale be? Surely you can^t just stick a heavy diesel engine and alternator set under the frames? I could see hybrid 387^s might be useful to cover the Didcot-Oxford gap and thus enable Oxford stoppers go to 387^s in December 2017, and also to keep the Bedwyn^s going as through trains.
But is this really technically and financially viable?
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