What rights do you have(refers to unable to get a bike off of an HST)

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[BerkshireBugsy]

I'm on the 1806 London Paddington to Frome service which tonight is running in reverse formation

On the slow down to Twyford the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) announced that because of the service being busy it would not be possible for him to provide access to the TGS.

At this point there were puzzled looks in my carriage (and I suspect others) because no explanation was given as to what a TGS is (although I couldn't resist a Google to know what it stood for having guessed it was where the bikes were kept).

So this got me thinking - if I had a bicycle what would I be expected to do ?

Just curious

[JayMac]

So this got me thinking - if I had a bicycle what would I be expected to do ?

Get off at Reading and cycle home? 

I do hope the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) knew there were no cyclists due to disembark at Twyford.

[BerkshireBugsy]

So this got me thinking - if I had a bicycle what would I be expected to do ?

Get off at Reading and cycle home? 

I do hope the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) knew there were no cyclists due to disembark at Twyford.

He didn't

[Chris from Nailsea]

TGS is in our list on the Coffee Shop forum acronyms/abbreviations page - link in the middle of the line of links at the top of this page. 

[BerkshireBugsy]

TGS is in our list on the Coffee Shop forum acronyms/abbreviations page - link in the middle of the line of links at the top of this page. 

Thanks CfN - I had guessed it old be there but at the time of interest I didn't have a very good signal and a quick google search required less bandwidth

[Super Guard]

I'm on the 1806 London Paddington to Frome service which tonight is running in reverse formation

On the slow down to Twyford the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) announced that because of the service being busy it would not be possible for him to provide access to the TGS.

At this point there were puzzled looks in my carriage (and I suspect others) because no explanation was given as to what a TGS is (although I couldn't resist a Google to know what it stood for having guessed it was where the bikes were kept).

So this got me thinking - if I had a bicycle what would I be expected to do ?

Just curious

I'm more curious and confused as to why this was an issue regardless of how busy it was 

[BerkshireBugsy]

Superguard the reason given (bearing in mind the TGS was at the rear in direction travel) was that the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) was unable to make it to the front of the train (which was first class).

I'm sure there was some sort of logic there but I couldn't see it!

[JayMac]

Am I right in thinking that Twyford can only fully accommodate 2+7?

When sets are in usual formation with 1st Class at the rear, the last coach is not fully platformed and the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) uses SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) from the preceding coach.

With the set in question having Standard toward the rear, the TGS (Coach A) would have not been fully platformed so the TM would not have been able to access the Cycle stowage area from the platform.

If that's the case then you'd think this could have been communicated at Paddington to any cyclist looking to alight at Twyford.

[BerkshireBugsy]

Am I right in thinking that Twyford can only fully accommodate 2+7?

When sets are in usual formation with 1st Class at the rear, the last coach is not fully platformed and the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) uses SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) from the preceding coach.

With the set in question having Standard toward the rear, the TGS (Coach A) would have not been fully platformed so the TM would not have been able to access the Cycle stowage area from the platform.

If that's the case then you'd think this could have been communicated at Paddington to any cyclist looking to alight at Twyford.

It was a tad confusing to say the least. Apart from the curiosity it caused I didn't take much notice as (a) I didn't have a bike and (b) I wasn't getting off at Twyford

I think the TM (on this rare occasion) could have been clearer with his announcements - at one point some passengers thought they could only leave the train (at Theale) from coach E and no other coaches

[John R]

Am I right in thinking that Twyford can only fully accommodate 2+7?

When sets are in usual formation with 1st Class at the rear, the last coach is not fully platformed and the TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) uses SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) from the preceding coach.

With the set in question having Standard toward the rear, the TGS (Coach A) would have not been fully platformed so the TM would not have been able to access the Cycle stowage area from the platform.

But usually if the set is in reverse formation then the stopping position is changed in order that the TGS is still available?

[JayMac]

Surely the driver stops at the 'HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) 2+8' board regardless of the formation of the 8 coaches. 

[Richard Fairhurst]

Not necessarily - at Charlbury, and I believe at most locations on the Cotswold Line, the driver stops with standard class on the platform even if the train is in reverse formation. (Indeed, the 09.07 today was in reverse formation, and we still managed to get our bikes on, just at the London end of the platform rather than the Hereford end.)

[Worcester_Passenger]

Not necessarily - at Charlbury, and I believe at most locations on the Cotswold Line, the driver stops with standard class on the platform even if the train is in reverse formation. (Indeed, the 09.07 today was in reverse formation, and we still managed to get our bikes on, just at the London end of the platform rather than the Hereford end.)

True.

[John R]

Surely the driver stops at the 'HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) 2+8' board regardless of the formation of the 8 coaches. 

At any station with less than space for a full 8 coaches there are two stop boards, one for normal and one for reverse direction. This is what I'd expect at Twyford if it can only take 7 coaches. Although in that situation there would only be the one 2+7 stop board, as the train can then be fully accommodated.

[tom m]

There is an odd situation at slough where you can put your bike in the TSG heading towards reading but you have to use a vestibule if you are coming from reading as the TSG is not platformed. I suspect this has caught a few people out who are not familiar it.

I belive the HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s always stop in the same place as there is a signal at the end of the platform.