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Just received the following text message announcement... PAD» to MAI▸ on your route: 19:12 will have 2 not 5 coaches - disruptive passengers earlier. I am curious as to how disruptive you need to be to remove 3 carriages from operation!  Are the aforementioned passengers still locked away in these carriages? Whisked away to some far flung fgw outpost?  |
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2014, 18:36:52 » |
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Hopefully, a BTP▸ outpost!
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 18:55:42 » |
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Many reasons given can be most confusing at times and this need not necessarily be a problem with this particular train itself. The root cause is always quoted and be a reaction to something that occurred hours earlier
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 19:27:11 » |
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17:18 PAD» -OXF» was formed of the extra 3 coaches vice a 180. The "disruptive passenger" reason must be linked to the 180 not being available (perhaps assault on the Train Manager and no cover available??)
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 19:38:13 » |
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One possibility would some form of fight or assault that required a 3 car unit to be detached for police examination.
Another possibility would be that the disruptive passengers delayed the whole 5 car train, perhaps whilst awaiting police, and that the booked train was therefore not available to make a punctual start on its next journey, a 2 car unit being used instead.
Yet another possibility would be a 2 car and a 3 car unit coupled together but with the 3 car unit locked out of use because the disruptive passengers had broken a window or otherwise rendered the unit unfit for passenger use, but still fit to move.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 19:55:15 » |
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Meanwhile - according to RTT» , tonight's 1930 PAD» -WSM has been "cancelled throughout due to an unexpected number of passengers joining/alighting the service." What does that mean in rather plainer English???
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 20:22:28 » |
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One possibility would some form of fight or assault that required a 3 car unit to be detached for police examination.
Another possibility would be that the disruptive passengers delayed the whole 5 car train, perhaps whilst awaiting police, and that the booked train was therefore not available to make a punctual start on its next journey, a 2 car unit being used instead.
Yet another possibility would be a 2 car and a 3 car unit coupled together but with the 3 car unit locked out of use because the disruptive passengers had broken a window or otherwise rendered the unit unfit for passenger use, but still fit to move.
From what I can see, the 2+3 Turbo was available at the correct time, but the 3 car was needed for the 1718 as the 180 was unavailable. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 20:35:03 » |
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Meanwhile - according to RTT» , tonight's 1930 PAD» -WSM has been "cancelled throughout due to an unexpected number of passengers joining/alighting the service." What does that mean in rather plainer English???
Pass. Although, the 1939 arrival from Bristol was cancelled due to earlier signalling/points problems at Thingley Junction, so they may have cancelled the 1930 and used the set for something else. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 20:44:09 » |
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signalling/points problems at Thingley Junction
again? ... must be one of the most unreliable points on the system ... P.S. I've seen the 19:30 off Paddington so crammed that people can't board ... super-off-peak after all. What a strange world we live in! |
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 21:05:36 » |
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I've seen the 19:30 off Paddington so crammed that people can't board ...
Might not that have been the problem on this particular occasion - the train was so crammed (the "dangerously overcrowded" description so beloved of the press) that the train manager declined to let it start?  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 22:21:57 » |
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My usual (1705 MAI▸ ) 5 car was reduced to 3 car tonight as well, no idea why, nothing was mentioned anywhere.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 08:09:48 » |
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Looks like FGW▸ might be down an HST▸ set again today, apparently the 0511 WOS» -PAD» is currently stuck in the OOC▸ /Ladbroke Grove area with a loss of air to the brakes.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 08:35:47 » |
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On Monday (Nov 10) I arrived at Frome at 0750 in order to catch the 0802 to Bristol Parkway only to find that it was running, at that time, 43 minutes late, the announcement was "due to a problem currently under investigation". Unfortunately the live trains feed on the app was not working, otherwise I would have kept an eye on it before leaving home. Every few minutes for over an hour the announcement was repeated with delays varying between 43 and 56 minutes. It did turn up at 0856. Surely the reason could have been investigated in that time and waiting passengers given more relevant information. Frustratingly, the only information given was that the train would only run to Westbury, once again for "a problem currently under investigation".
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 08:37:21 » |
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Looks like FGW▸ might be down an HST▸ set again today, apparently the 0511 WOS» -PAD» is currently stuck in the OOC▸ /Ladbroke Grove area with a loss of air to the brakes.
That managed to limp into Paddington but now a Swansea service has failed on the Up Relief nearby. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 08:41:31 » |
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Looks like FGW▸ might be down an HST▸ set again today, apparently the 0511 WOS» -PAD» is currently stuck in the OOC▸ /Ladbroke Grove area with a loss of air to the brakes.
That managed to limp into Paddington but now a Swansea service has failed on the Up Relief nearby. Yep, I'm on it. Brake problem. |
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