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« Reply #405 on: December 08, 2014, 08:15:41 » |
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Hold it together with Gaffer tape and hope for the best - the picture is a metaphor for the whole system.....
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« Reply #406 on: December 08, 2014, 08:44:45 » |
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Delays of about an hour from Reading to Paddington. I've been on this service for 65 minutes now and am stationary at Heathrow junction
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« Reply #407 on: December 08, 2014, 09:54:36 » |
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Happy Monday everybody! Looks like we need some more tape!
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« Reply #408 on: December 08, 2014, 10:23:08 » |
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Happy Monday everybody! Looks like we need some more tape!
Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Slough some lines are closed. Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 08/12. .........it was 1100, now it's 1500.........rush hour should be fun  |
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« Reply #409 on: December 08, 2014, 10:40:53 » |
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Definitely fun and games this morning. Firstly my train (7.59 from Maidenhead to Paddington) was unexpectedly in reverse formation (I am assuming this magically happened in between Tilehurst and Maidenhead) which resulted in anyone trying to use First Class having to run the length of the platform only to find First Class (2 1/2 carriages of it) was already full!! Having shoe horned as many people as possible on to this train with no mention of any delays we set off.. We only made it as far as just west of Slough before we stopped and then were told to expect an hours delay (which turned out to be pretty accurate). If they had told us about the hour delays at Maidenhead I (and I am sure many others who could) would have given up and gone home to work from there, making the train less overcrowded and pleasant for those who really had to get into London Yet again FGW▸ 's communication was sadly lacking |
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« Reply #410 on: December 08, 2014, 11:52:51 » |
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Yet again, network rail signalling fails, this is not the fault of FGW▸ but it seems that they could have responded better regarding information.
These breakdowns are no longer rare or exceptional events but are becoming the "new normal".
When the sums were done regarding the benefits of electrification, did anyone consider the costs of these frequent major breakdowns ?
Suppose that the new electric railway lasts for say 25 years before major renewals are needed. Then consider 5 years of frequent major disruptions whilst the work is done.
I suspect that the millions of delay minutes caused by the works might NEVER be offset by increased reliability when the work is completed. I.E. that the 30 year total of delays (5 years of disruption followed by 25 years of normal operation) might be greater than simply carrying on with diesel power.
Add to that the fact that the electrification works are bound to take much longer and to cost much more than forecast, and that electrification adds something else to fail.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #411 on: December 08, 2014, 11:59:41 » |
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Indeed, expect the wires to come down....
I don't think that there's much choice frankly, diesel trains are on their way out. ERTMS▸ in cab) signalling may help....
Needs putting down to the under-investment over decades & several Governments.
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« Reply #412 on: December 08, 2014, 12:04:57 » |
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...diesel trains are on their way out...
If they hadn't decided to electify, they'd have still needed to raise the bridges to accommodate the filtration equipment on stage IIIB-complaint diesel trains. |
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Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
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« Reply #413 on: December 08, 2014, 12:11:51 » |
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On the subject of electric trains, this rather interesting post in connection with a discussion about this morning's problems has just appeared on the WNXX▸ forum: http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044NR» Service updates quotes "all electric traction had been suspended (with the exception of the Inter Terminal Transfer) and the signalling system will be monitored. 1140 / 1142 Departures will be re-instated with the system being monitored with 4 electric units on the network...
Looks like NR has considered that today's fault was being caused by HEx or HC trains? |
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« Reply #414 on: December 08, 2014, 12:18:12 » |
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On the subject of electric trains, this rather interesting post in connection with a discussion about this morning's problems has just appeared on the WNXX▸ forum: http://www.wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3979&start=400#p98044NR» Service updates quotes "all electric traction had been suspended (with the exception of the Inter Terminal Transfer) and the signalling system will be monitored. 1140 / 1142 Departures will be re-instated with the system being monitored with 4 electric units on the network...
Looks like NR has considered that today's fault was being caused by HEx or HC trains? HEX are better IMO▸ at saying it how it is. Taking a look at their Twitter feed their service has been on and off all morning at Network Rail's request. But the bigger eye-opener does seem to be, as you pointed out, is that can the signalling system handle electric traction? I was under the impression there was works being carried out to prevent problems like this? Did they miss Acton?  |
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« Reply #415 on: December 08, 2014, 12:25:31 » |
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There's been a lot of work which is ongoing at improving the resilience of the overhead cables in certain areas between Paddington and Heathrow to prepare it for much frequent traffic rather than just the six trains each way per hour it currently gets. Acton is one area that is undergoing a lot of work (as well as lots of ongoing work building the new fly-under), so perhaps there was work last night that went wrong and has caused the problems today?
All I can find out is that a power failure was reported in the area at 05:22 this morning.
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To view my GWML▸ Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/ |
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« Reply #416 on: December 08, 2014, 12:33:32 » |
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Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...
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« Reply #417 on: December 08, 2014, 13:06:40 » |
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Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...
The only positive I can take from this is that I'll be working so late this evening in order to make up the time I lost coming in that there's a better chance of a clear run. Last week was pretty poor, with repeated morning delays of 10 mins between Reading and Paddington, mainly centred around Southall. Saturday was torrid. This morning was just horrendous. |
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« Reply #418 on: December 08, 2014, 13:17:59 » |
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Disruption is expected to last until at least 4pm according to journeycheck.. I am starting to guess what the journey home is going to be like...
Quite possibly no fasts to Maidenhead ( MAI▸ ) or Twyford ( TWY▸ ) with only a half-hourly stopping service of 5-car (if we're lucky) Turbos? Hopefully it won't be the case, at the moment on RTT» it looks like there are no major delays east of RDG‡ (only a few mins here and there) but the overall service is reduced by about 50% with the Reliefs still closed east of Southall. Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms |
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« Reply #419 on: December 08, 2014, 13:19:57 » |
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Network Rail tweeted earlier... 08/12/2014 11:03
@willguyatt At present the cause is believe to be a fault in the data transferring between signals. |
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