Odd one out?

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[paul7575]

5.   All have been renamed by adding to the original wording, except for Fishguard Harbour.

Or something like that...

Paul

Oh wow - you're somewhat beyond my ken with that, but I don't doubt that you're right.   There was a post earlier that the operator and owner are the same only at BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains) ... also true, and it's along those lines that my original odd one out thoughts lay.

Ah right, then Fishguard Harbour is the one that isn't owned OR operated by Network Rail, but belongs to Stena Line.  Often held up as the contrary example to the rest of England and Wales whereby smoking is allowed on the platforms, isn't it?

PAul

[Rhydgaled]

For question 5, I would suggest Fishguard & Goodwick. Because (to my rather limited knowledge) it is the only one to have had a building demolished and then replaced in an attempt to maintain the character of the station, due to it being in a conservation area. Sadly, they made a right hash of the design of the replacement building and hence utterly failed to preserve the character. The locals have done a better job of adding character using flags and flowers than the new building, which doesn't do the original justice at all. Had they got the building right, heritage-style signage etc. (Birmingham Moor Street and perhaps Kings Lynn, although I've not seen much of that and haven't been there) might have made it a really special station. Wasted opertunity there. Don't think I've ever heard of Mottisfont and Dunbridge before now, but a quick Google shows it still seems to have an original-looking station building.

Bristol Temple Meads is the only one of the four owned and managed by the same entity.

Not sure about that, Fishguard Harbour is both owned and managed by Stena Line isn't it, unless the Fishguard and Rosslare railways and harbours company is actually still a seperate entity from Stena Line. The platform signage certainly doesn't seem to be either Network Rail or Arriva designs.

All have been renamed by adding to the original wording, except for Fishguard Harbour.

I forget whether Fishguard & Goodwick was actually called that originally (I don't have a copy of the railways of Pembrokeshire book, so can't check). Was it actually officially titled that to begin with?

Ah right, then Fishguard Harbour is the one that isn't owned OR operated by Network Rail, but belongs to Stena Line.  Often held up as the contrary example to the rest of England and Wales whereby smoking is allowed on the platforms, isn't it?
PAul

I've read different stories about why smoking is allowed at Fishguard Harbour. It might just be because it belongs to Stena but it might also be health-and-safety related, because when it was banned on the platform the smokers went too close to the level crossing.

[JayMac]

I know Wikipedia isn't to be trusted but it says that Fishguard Harbour is owned by Stena and managed by ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))). National Rail Enquiries also says FGH is managed by ATW.

Fishguard and Goodwick is owned by Pembrokeshire County Council and managed by ATW.

Mottisfont & Dunbridge is owned by Network Rail and managed by First Great Western (although I believe that SWT^▸ (South West Trains) now cover the station management on behalf of FGW^▸ (First Great Western)).

Bristol Temple Meads is owned and managed by Network Rail.

That's how I came to my answer that Bristol TM^‡(resolve) was the odd one out, being owned and managed by the same entity.

[grahame]

My intent was that the answer's Fishguard and Goodwick, being the only one of those stations that's managed by a company who run passenger trains serving it.   The majority of UK^▸ (United Kingdom) stations are managed by companies running their trains, but there are exceptions ...
* Fishguard Harbour - Stena (served by Arriva Trains Wales)
* Bristol Temple Meads - Network Rail
* Mottisfont and Dunbridge - First Great Western (but served by South West Trains)
... but I do see questions over some of those; my latest understanding was that the transfer of Dean and Mottisfont to SWT^▸ (South West Trains) management hadn't actually happened, and I wasn't aware that Arriva Trains Wales might manage Fishguard Harbour.  Such is the complexity of some of these oddballs.

Thank goodness I started this in "the lighter side" ...

[brooklea]

7. Dorking is the odd one because it is possible to buy a ticket to travel between two (of the three) stations there - Dorking West and Dorking (Deepdene)

[eightf48544]

9 Denton is the odd one because its an Island Platform. The others have two platforms.

But then again Pilning has three running lines!

[grahame]

9 Denton is the odd one because its an Island Platform. The others have two platforms.

But then again Pilning has three running lines!

And then again Shippea Hill is the odd one out because it has services on more than one day per week.

7. Dorking is the odd one because it is possible to buy a ticket to travel between two (of the three) stations there - Dorking West and Dorking (Deepdene)

So it is 

And you could also say the Yeovil is the odd one out because all of the others are or have been grouped by the ORR^» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) for passenger count purposes to the extent that annual figures have been badly distorted, whereas Yeovil has always been properly two locations.

[eightf48544]

Try 4 Brownhills West it's disconnected from the National Network on the Chasewater Railway.

[grahame]

Try 4 Brownhills West it's disconnected from the National Network on the Chasewater Railway.

I'm going to give you that one as it's better than the answer that I had in mind (Liskeard)

[eightf48544]

8. Did you have in mind that Hull Paragon, Glasgow Queen Street High Level,  and Inverness are termini but Perth is a through station? That's so, though confused somewhat by the railways' insistence that, notwithstanding what it says on the building itself, Hull Paragon Interchange (HUU) is a bus stop next to Hull station (HUL).

Oh gosh - actually I didn't have that in mind.  And "throughness" is arguable at Inverness as there are a few trains for which it's an intermediate stop , with the train reversing into a platform, all of which could be considered to be bays!

Graham by your definition of through trains through a terminal station Hull Paragon qualifies as there are through Bridlington to Shefield trains. Which reverse at Hull. To my mind both Inverness and Hull are terminal stations. If you keep going in same direction as you arrive you are going to make an aweful mess of the concourse and the train!

[grahame]

Graham by your definition of through trains through a terminal station Hull Paragon qualifies as there are through Bridlington to Shefield trains. Which reverse at Hull.

Consider the case of the 17:14 Kyle of Lochalsh to Elgin (not, I admit, a train that any of us here uses often).  The driving can that is at the front when it leaves Kyle of Lochalsh is at the front when it leaves every single intermediate station, including Inverness, therefore there has been no net reversal anywhere alone the way and it hasn't been into a terminal 

There used to be a similar arrangement at Dorchester South ...

[Rhydgaled]

Graham by your definition of through trains through a terminal station Hull Paragon qualifies as there are through Bridlington to Shefield trains. Which reverse at Hull.

Consider the case of the 17:14 Kyle of Lochalsh to Elgin (not, I admit, a train that any of us here uses often).  The driving can that is at the front when it leaves Kyle of Lochalsh is at the front when it leaves every single intermediate station, including Inverness, therefore there has been no net reversal anywhere alone the way and it hasn't been into a terminal 

How does that work? Does it not actually call at Inverness, and just have a PASS time in the working timetable? Or is there a platform on the through side of the triangle?

[rogerw]

It runs through on the avoiding line and then reverses back into the main platforms.  I did it a few years ago.

[JayMac]

Runs on the avoiding line as a parliamentary service to keep that stretch of line open and then reverses into Inverness station.

[Rhydgaled]

Ah, thanks both. Is that a national odd one out, as a National Rail passenger service which reverses at somewhere other than a station?