DMU cascade

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[northwestuser]

That is certainly one way of reading between the lines of that letter - but from where though, in time for April 2015?

If you want to confuse things further between Louise Ellman writing her letter to Patrick McLoughlin and the response being sent Stephen Hammond appeared before the Transport Select Committee and said an agreement was in place for TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) to keep the 170/3s until the May 2015 timetable change and talks were on-going relating to Chiltern taking the 170/3s in phases between May 2015 and February 2016.

[ChrisB]

That sounds like what that committee meeting's minutes seem to refer to....

Possible I guess - Chiltern might be able to cope with that suggestion until they go live into Oxford, which would be after Feb2016....

[eightf48544]

Just a thought. Should all posts on rolling stock transfers new builds etc, go into Smoke and Mirrors As until some units actually move and are seen running for their new users it seems to be pure conjecture.

Perhaps when they do finally move then there should be a new category called "Where do what Units Run?" 

[Rhydgaled]

Just a thought. Should all posts on rolling stock transfers new builds etc, go into Smoke and Mirrors As until some units actually move and are seen running for their new users it seems to be pure conjecture.

I'm not sure that applies to all rolling stock transfers and new-builds, but it certainly seems to apply to this TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) 170s/Northern 319s/new 387s business. For an example of one that doesn't seem to be changing every minute, see class 700. It is pretty certain that fleet will be deployed to the Thameslink route.

[paul7575]

Tony Miles (of Modern Railways) has just explained in the wnxx forum that the TfGM^▸ (Transport for Greater Manchester. ) minutes are wrong, nothing has changed according to TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express).

Paul

[northwestuser]

Tony Miles (of Modern Railways) has just explained in the wnxx forum that the TfGM^▸ (Transport for Greater Manchester. ) minutes are wrong, nothing has changed according to TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express).

Paul

FTPE^» (First TransPennine Express - website) were unable to attend that meeting, there is usually someone at them. They suggest it's either a misunderstanding by Councillors or by the person writing up the minutes

The next meeting is next Friday where any errors in the minutes would be noted.

[grahame]

So not many dmu's to be cascaded, and indeed both will stay in the north west to provide a unit for the Todmorden curve service, and some extra capacity for the Bolton line (which suffered from the loss of TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) services last December).

The first passenger train has used the Todmorden curve, but it was a special and I understand that regular services aren't staring for a while.

http://www.hebdenbridgetimes.co.uk/news/local/a-journey-into-history-as-train-traverses-todmorden-curve-1-6657817

[eightf48544]

I despair at the way we run this country!

Spending millions reinstating the curve and then finding there are not enough units to run a regular service.

But then we always have "Spoiled the ship for ha'peth of tar".

It's one of our less endearing characteristics.

[John R]

Frustrating, but a 6 month delay isn't the end of the world. A minor niggle compared with the loss of the Class 170s in the north.

[grahame]

So not many dmu's to be cascaded, and indeed both will stay in the north west to provide a unit for the Todmorden curve service, and some extra capacity for the Bolton line (which suffered from the loss of TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) services last December).

The first passenger train has used the Todmorden curve, but it was a special and I understand that regular services aren't staring for a while.

http://www.hebdenbridgetimes.co.uk/news/local/a-journey-into-history-as-train-traverses-todmorden-curve-1-6657817

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnley/11383967._/?

Lilian Greenwood said: ^Direct rail services to Manchester will bring massive benefits to East Lancashire, but the Todmorden Curve will be a track without trains for six months ^ and the delay could be even longer.

and

Azhar Ali said: ^We want to highlight the lack of investment in East Lancashire, particularly on the Colne to Preston line.

^A service that goes every hour doesn^t encourage people to leave their cars.^

Julie Cooper said: ^Economists have worked out that the Todmorden Curve will have an impact of around ^12million a year on Burnley^s economy.

^That means each month that the project is delayed is costing Burnley ^12million.^

[John R]

It would appear as though four or five Scotrail class 170s are to transfer to Southern next summer.  Cue more complaints that the south is benefitting at the expense of the north of England and Scotland.

[ChrisB]

Presumably they're under Transport Scotland control as part of Scotrail franchise, so the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about) not at fault this time?

[Rhydgaled]

It would appear as though four or five Scotrail class 170s are to transfer to Southern next summer.  Cue more complaints that the south is benefitting at the expense of the north of England and Scotland.

Presumably they're under Transport Scotland control as part of Scotrail franchise, so the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about) not at fault this time?

Not sure whether the complaints will be justified this time, I doubt the five 170s for Southern will be the last to leave ScotRail. TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) might be a dire straights for a short time, and some form of stop-gap is needed, but ScotRail will be releasing many more DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) (probably including some 170s or 158s, some of which TPE could snap up). Not sure how ScotRail are able to start releasing units next year though, because don't the new fleets not arrive until 2017?