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Author Topic: Weather disruption caused in 2014, and how to prevent it happening again - ongoing discussion  (Read 456685 times)
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« Reply #885 on: November 24, 2014, 18:39:31 »

Condom. Also know as a 'preventive' or 'preventative'.  Wink

Condoms are 98% reliable if used correctly........if only NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s signals & FGW (First Great Western)'s trains could match that we'd all be happy!  Grin
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« Reply #886 on: December 08, 2014, 11:32:56 »

Thursday into Friday - batten down your hatches....
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« Reply #887 on: December 08, 2014, 11:45:52 »

Thursday into Friday - batten down your hatches....

Today is a lovely,sunny day.....................................

Due to signalling problems between London Paddington and Slough some lines are closed.
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Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 60 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 08/12

...................does the weather make any difference?
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« Reply #888 on: December 08, 2014, 12:20:48 »

It's been largely forgotten due to the unacceptable and frustrating delays due to other reasons recently, but as an aside the leaf-fall season has been one of the best in recent years with relatively few leaf fall related delays (unlike the last few seasons) and I can only remember one really bad day.  However, this is largely down to the weather throughout October, November and December I'm sure, rather than any magical remedies from Network Rail.
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« Reply #889 on: December 08, 2014, 12:27:00 »

Hmmm, London Underground don't think so. Leaf Fall timetables extended to December 27....!
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« Reply #890 on: December 08, 2014, 12:30:29 »

I was speaking from a National Rail perspective, in particular on the FGW (First Great Western) network - I have no knowledge of the situation on the London Underground.
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« Reply #891 on: December 08, 2014, 13:20:48 »

Leaves are leaves....

I posted to show the difference between the two....
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« Reply #892 on: December 08, 2014, 13:42:31 »

OK.  I guess it's also worth pointing out the difference between a planned timetable alteration extension due to the possibility of leaf fall disruption and disruption on a given day delaying trains due to poor leaf-fall conditions.

Given the notorious difficulty in getting hold of timetable information on the London Underground, does their leaf-fall timetable affect any lines other than the eastern end of the Central and the northern end of the Met these days?  Presumably any Met Line alterations are connected to the Chiltern Leaf-fall timetable which runs until Christmas?
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« Reply #893 on: December 08, 2014, 13:55:24 »

Good question. Those are the only areas I am aware of that LU adjusts for.

Chiltern has to match LU's adjusted times so has had to extend their Aylesbury line leaf-fall to the same date. Their Decd14 timetable doesn't have this (as it went to bed over a month ago), so have included it in their engineering work calendar.

Their Mainline finished at the weekend just gone (added 3 minutes at arrival station)

But however mild the winter is, surely all leaves will be off before Christmas. For example, the storm due Thursday into Friday should clear the few yet to fall.
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« Reply #894 on: December 09, 2014, 13:17:18 »

Tell me, do the leaves affect the 3rd and 4th rails on the Met. I know LU trains carry de-icer and have a rubber device to scrub the conductor rails.
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« Reply #895 on: December 09, 2014, 13:35:45 »

Chiltern has to match LU's adjusted times so has had to extend their Aylesbury line leaf-fall to the same date. Their Decd14 timetable doesn't have this (as it went to bed over a month ago), so have included it in their engineering work calendar.

I'm not sure what you mean?  There's a separate leaf fall timetable included in my copy of the Chiltern Timetable from December?
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« Reply #896 on: December 09, 2014, 13:52:11 »

Oh, ok, just checked - you're right - they did get it in.
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« Reply #897 on: December 09, 2014, 21:42:23 »


Condoms are 98% reliable if used correctly........if only NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s signals & FGW (First Great Western)'s trains could match that we'd all be happy!  Grin

I have three children...

There is a joke I might share concerning a man from a country where condoms were illegal who found himself in Bristol, with a cornucopia of choice.
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« Reply #898 on: December 10, 2014, 10:14:31 »


Condoms are 98% reliable if used correctly........if only NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s signals & FGW (First Great Western)'s trains could match that we'd all be happy!  Grin

I have three children...

There is a joke I might share concerning a man from a country where condoms were illegal who found himself in Bristol, with a cornucopia of choice.


Cornucopia......That sounds painful........would a lengthy course of penicillin sort it out?  Cheesy
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« Reply #899 on: February 02, 2015, 16:47:08 »

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Dawlish: one year on and no commitment to new railway

The Dawlish mainline a year ago

^Where we had a railway line we now have a Peruvian rope bridge masquerading as a railway line.^

Those were the words of Tudor Evans, the leader of Plymouth City Council, to MPs (Member of Parliament) in the aftermath of last winter^s storms that saw the Great Western mainline at Dawlish collapse into the sea.

A year on from the line^s initial battering, and months after the 300-strong ^Orange Army^ of Network Rail engineers put the route back together again, the track is only modestly more protected from the ravages of the sea.

Yes, ^35 million was spent on re-building the Dawlish sea wall, re-establishing the service that links much of Devon and Cornwall with the rest of the UK (United Kingdom) in time for the vital Easter holiday season.

But progress on ensuring the line can withstand another storm of the 2014 vintage ^ adding ^resilience^ has been slow.

Shoring up the existing line? Network Rail estimates it could cost between ^398 million and ^659 million, but the quango has yet to complete a detailed report into options. It is due in the ^early part^ of this year.

A new additional inland route? A study looked into seven possibilities, and the Department for Transport said last week it is still ^looking at^ the Network Rail report which will be ^used to influence our future plans for the railways in the South West^.

Confusingly, a separate report into reviving the old Dartmoor line from Exeter to Plymouth via Okehampton has also been commissioned. Though, to be clear, that doesn^t mean it is the only option that could be taken forward or, indeed, that it will get the go-ahead.

In the meantime, the region crosses its fingers, hoping Isambard Kingdom Brunel^s snaking route can withstand another barrage (trains are still periodically delayed or cancelled during bad weather). Hardly the foundations to build a regional economy that could resemble California and its Silicon Valley, as George Osborne argued last week.

Strangely, the political will seems to be there.

Plans for a second route have been demanded for decades. Brunel himself wrote reports on tackling storm damage at Dawlish in 1855 construction work began on the so-called Dawlish Avoiding Line between Exeter and Plymouth ^ it was the subject of two parliamentary Acts ^ but was abandoned when Adolf Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 and war broke out.

In the decades since, ministers have given the idea the brush-off. Too expensive. Too difficult. Not enough political capital to be gained. Yet the events of last year changed the mood.

National exposure buoyed by the business-led Open for Business online campaign ^ #openforbusiness ^ meant the issue could no longer be parked. The billions of pounds being promised on HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) to the north of England only heightened the sense that the South West needed to given more attention. MPs have highlighted Treasury figures showing ^41 per head spent on rail in the South West compared to ^294 in London

Every senior politician in Britain is button-holed about it the moment they enter Devon.

^What we have to do is make sure we get something that is resilient, and is matched up to the kind of weather conditions we faced last year,^ said Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin.

^I favour strengthening the transport links to the South West. The events at Dawlish demonstrated the precarious situation that we^re in,^ said Prime Minister David Cameron.

Chancellor George Osborne said: ^We are looking if we can increase the resilience and not make it so dependent on that one link.^

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg? ^You can^t have the South West peninsula reliant in the long-run on a rail link that is as vulnerable to erosion and winter storms as Dawlish is.^

Ed Balls, the Shadow Chanellor, has also signalled his support. ^People in other parts of the country wouldn^t put up with the time it takes by train from Exeter or Plymouth,^ he said.

And yet nothing committed.

Andrew Leadbetter, chairman of the Peninsula Rail Task Force, a coalition of local business leaders and politicians, has warned of ^warm words^ and the initiative being lost on in thicket of reports, studies and audits.

In November, the Prime Minister urged the region to speak with ^one voice^. In fairness, it had been. The Peninsula Rail Task Force had already drawn up a plan that has gained as much consensus as a region as sparse and diverse as Cornwall, Devon and Somerset could muster. In short, there was something for everyone, a ^7 billion plan with different strands that worked together or not at all.

Some ^350 million of investment in the Dawlish line ^ compared to the ^20 million Network Rail has currently committed ^ plus two new inland routes: re-opening the Dartmoor line as a back-up and to open up rail services in under-served west Devon and north Cornwall (cost: around ^850 million), and burrowing a tunnel under Haldon Hill to create a faster inter-city service, which would come with a ^3 billion price-tag but create a genuine Dawlish Avoiding Line.

Throw in electric trains and measures to avoid flooding east of Exeter and the package still comes in at a fraction of the cost of high-speed trains between London and Birmingham. At Prime Minister^s Questions in December, Mr Cameron confirmed officials would ^take forward^ the plan. Perhaps, however, the brakes are being applied in the Westcountry rather than Whitehall. The region has held the line, more united on an issue than since the foot and mouth crisis put the far South West on lock-down. But it would be na^ve to think there are not competing priorities. It^s election year to boot.

On the south Devon coast, in areas such as Torbay and Dawlish, the fear is of the existing line being compromised. Closed even. Though few, if any, would want to call time on one of Britain^s most spectacular rail vistas. That^s why the language is so delicately poised ^ a new railway would be ^additional^ rather than an ^alternative^.

Which inland railway should be opted for is also a moot point depending on your vantage point. Many in Plymouth and, to a lesser extent, Cornwall want the faster line under Haldon Hill, arguing getting trains to the region^s biggest city in less than three hours will reap huge benefits for inward investment and tourism.

They point to the Network Rail report showing that re-opening the former London and South Western Railway route from Exeter via Okehampton, closed by Beeching in 1968 because he disliked ^duplicates^, would add four minutes to journeys to Plymouth and 14 minutes on through services to Cornwall because of trains reversing from the station.

Proponents, though, say it is a much cheaper back-up if Dawlish fails and has the added benefits for new local services. Of all the improvements, re-opening the Dartmoor line has the most political momentum. Launching his economic plan for the South West, Mr Osborne said it boasted a ^strong case^. It is assumed shoring up the existing line will happen, perhaps involving huge new breakwaters, but once more nothing has been confirmed.

Mr Osborne told an audience of business leaders last week: ^Plymouth has never received the political attention that our great cities of the north have received.

^Just as the South West has never been as much a part of the debate about our nation^s economic imbalances as the north of England has.^

He promised to address that. A full-blooded rail commitment would be a first step.
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