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« on: December 17, 2013, 18:57:33 » |
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Well its official NR» is now part of the National debt http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/12/17-network-rail-is-nationalised-by.htmlNETWORK RAIL will become a public sector body during the coming year, following a reclassification of the company's status by the Office for National Statistics. The present company was set up in late 2001 to take over from Railtrack, but although NR had no shareholders it was said to be in the private sector.
The change in its status will place its current debt of some ^30 billion into the public accounts for the first time. Network Rail said the change was a largely technical matter and would not affect its governance, structure or investment plans.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 19:34:57 » |
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But will certainly effect how it is seen by politicians. Especially those of a blue hue. Re-privatisation anyone? At least for some of the juicy bits like the property portfolio. Selling off stations would raise a few bob for HM Treasury. Buy four London stations and you get to double the rent. Oh, hang on. That's Monopoly^. Wouldn't happen in the real world would it?
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 20:50:58 » |
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I wonder therefore if Freedom of Information would now apply to it.
NeR battled very hard in the past to not become FoI applicable and took it all the way to the Information Appeal Tribunal.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 21:21:08 » |
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I wonder therefore if Freedom of Information would now apply to it.
They might even let us view their web cams... Paul
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ChrisB
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 09:37:00 » |
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And be subject to austerity measures now?
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 10:39:28 » |
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It seems to be a form of re-nationalisation by stealth.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 10:53:23 » |
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Not sure about that - I think the National Audit Office has imposed this on HMG
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 11:36:37 » |
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Office for National Statistics released this document online yesterday:- Classification of Network Rail under European System of Accounts 2010It is available as a pdf download and runs to 9 pages. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_345415.pdfEffectively it rules that, because Network Rail debt is guaranteed by the Government, the latter is exposed to the risk and therefore NR» is under Government control. There follows a "New Market Test" which concludes that NR is not a "market body" and is a central Government controlled body and is subject to the new EU» rules. This mean that the NR debt has to be added to the National debt.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 12:37:29 » |
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As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 19:03:29 » |
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As I remember it, when NR» was created there was some dispute about its status, and the decision was pretty close. While the published record doesn't show it, I suspect that by ONS» 's own tests it was always in the public sector, and they had to be bullied quite hard to accept the (then) government's idea that it was not.
Now at the time it was not 100% clear how NR would operate, and it might have had a reasonable degree of autonomy. However, over the ten years since then DfT» has dictated all the financial decisions. So now, with the supporting argument of a common EU» definition, the ONS have overturned that original decision (the change is backdated).
What's rather odd is that a technical change in the ONS's statistics should lead to a change in the way NR is managed.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 19:44:59 » |
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As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.
I didn't think there was any doubt about Railtrack's status - or it wouldn't have gone bust!
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 19:54:29 » |
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I didn't think there was any doubt about Railtrack's status - or it wouldn't have gone bust!
There is for some of the shareholders, who are still claiming they was robbed as Railtrack was not really independent of government. Small shareholders of Eurotunnel, who are mostly French, think much the same. In that case it was not a bankruptcy, but the debt reconstructions diluted their shares' value by more than, for example, Greek bonds.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2013, 20:30:19 » |
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Or was the legal position with Railtrack not sufficiently examined?
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2013, 20:49:13 » |
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Or was the legal position with Railtrack not sufficiently examined?
I thought it was tested in court and found against them.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2013, 22:55:34 » |
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As I understand it this is designed to stop the nonsense perpetrated by Governments of all persuasions over the last decades of setting up "autonomous" bodies like Network Rail/Railtrack and PPI schemes for hospitals so as ostensibly to get the debts of these bodies off the Government balance sheet. Complete nonsense all round.
Do the IEP▸ and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?
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---------------------------- Don't DOO▸ it, keep the guard (but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea if the driver unlocked the doors on arrival at calling points).
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