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« on: November 12, 2013, 23:12:08 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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New pan-European rail booking service launched


Train travellers can now book tickets from the UK (United Kingdom) to European destinations in a single transaction

Train travellers can for the first time book tickets from Britain to France, Germany and other European destinations in a single transaction.

Start-up firm Loco2.com is offering the service in an attempt to make cross-border European rail trips cheaper and easier to organise.

Loco2 said it wanted to provide a service for trains that was as simple as flights on budget airlines. It also wants to promote rail travel as a green alternative to flying.

"Until now, rail users have had to go to different websites to book different parts of their journey," says Jamie Andrews, co-founder and managing director of Loco2. "What we've done is make it possible to book the whole journey in one go on one website in one transaction."

It has taken several steps to get to this point.

The first was gaining access to the booking and timetabling systems of the French national rail operator, SNCF (Societe Nationale des Chemins de fer Francais - French National Railways), followed by those of the German network, Deutsche Bahn.

The latest development has involved integrating data from these systems with information from the Association of Train Operating Companies in Britain, which means it can offer seamless ticketing on continental journeys that start or end at any station in the UK, starting from 12 November.

It claims to be the only booking service with this UK dimension in place. At least one competitor, French company Capitaine Train, offers one-stop bookings across the French and German networks.

Loco2 provides a less complete ticketing service for destinations in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands and a number of other countries. By reducing the complexity and hassle of international train bookings, the idea is to encourage people to take the train, not the plane.

It is not simply about making money from ticket sales. The name Loco2 stands for low CO2, and it wants to promote rail travel as a green alternative. Trains generate fewer carbon emissions than aircraft.

But the path to simple cross-border ticketing has been strewn with bureaucratic and technical obstacles. Each European country has its own rail system, with jealously guarded arrangements for timetabling and booking trains. The biggest problem Loco2 has faced is persuading the national rail networks to open up their systems to outsiders.

"Largely speaking, European rail operators have been reluctant to see change in the market and they were fairly happy with the status quo, even though customers were incredibly frustrated," says Mr Andrews. "It has taken efforts by the European Commission to begin regulating to open up the market to give companies like us the opportunity to push things forward."

There have also been technical difficulties to overcome in hooking up the computer systems of the different national networks.

"We employ two sorts of geek: trainspotters and software nerds," explains Mr Andrews, "Combined, we like to think they form a formidable force."
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 07:22:16 »

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Train travellers can now book tickets from the UK (United Kingdom) to European destinations in a single transaction

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It claims to be the only booking service with this UK dimension in place. At least one competitor, French company Capitaine Train, offers one-stop bookings across the French and German networks.

Loco2 provides a less complete ticketing service for destinations in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands and a number of other countries.

I have a trip to Interlaken pending - I've been holding off booking my tickets in the way advised by Seat61 until I know a couple of final details (possible venue switch to Berne).  I've just experimented with this new site and discovered that I have already hit the "less complete" element - or I assume I have; the first error message told me "No results found... There are several possible reasons: Tickets might not be available yet. Booking on this route opened today. Sometimes the rail operators are late releasing tickets so search for an earlier date or try again tomorrow. If your journey involves lots of changes. Try adding a stopover and then search again. Tickets might have sold out. Try changing your dates.There might be a problem on this route. If you've tried everything else and still can't find trains, please contact us.", and the second told me "No results found... It's not currently possible to add a stopover for a search starting from a UK station outside of London (we are working on this). For now, you can add the UK part of your journey to your basket separately, and add stopovers for the European part of your journey."

It's an excellent idea, and I'll be experimenting further once I know exactly where I'm headed. And I'm heartened by the "we are working on this".  I didn't really want to have to specify "via Paris" because I would like a comparison that includes both Eurostar and Harwich/Hook.  But I've got a feeling that I might be doing a rail knowledgable / geek booking via other sites after all.    I would love this to work ... and will be back to see if it has settled it a bit in a couple of weeks.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 08:30:17 »

Another article selling this ..

http://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/from-aberdeen-to-athens-on-one-train-ticket-8944334.html

"From Aberdeen to Athens on one train ticket ..." it headlines

Wonderful idea ... however, after my previous problem I thought I would check the article out; I entered "Aberdeen" and "Athens" for a Tuesday in mid December and got

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If your journey involves lots of changes. Try adding a stopover and then search again.
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There might be a problem on this route. If you've tried everything else and still can't find trains, please contact us.

What am I doing wrong, or did the article's author not actually check it out?
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 10:26:27 »



What am I doing wrong, or did the article's author not actually check it out?

The article author might have checked it out.  BUT newspaper headlines are almost always written by a different person to the one who writes the story, probably by someone who doesn't even read the story fully.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 11:07:51 »

What?  You mean newspaper headline writers just make things up??  Shocked Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 11:50:59 »

Graham i wonder if it's still possible to go from Aberdeen to Athens all the way by train. I don't think you can go via Kosovo and Montenegro which was the old route via the former  Yugoslavia, and I'm not sure with the Greek Railways' cutbacks you can still get from Sophia  to Thesseloniki and from there onwards to Athens.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 12:07:04 »

What?  You mean newspaper headline writers just make things up??  Shocked Roll Eyes Grin

Graham i wonder if it's still possible to go from Aberdeen to Athens all the way by train. I don't think you can go via Kosovo and Montenegro which was the old route via the former  Yugoslavia, and I'm not sure with the Greek Railways' cutbacks you can still get from Sophia  to Thesseloniki and from there onwards to Athens.

The text of the article talks about Aberdeen to Athens, Swansea to Sarajevo and Rhyl to Rome.   Rhyl to Rome offered me some journeys.  The other two failed.  I can understand the headline writer taking a soundbite from within the article ... but shouldn't I expect the journalist who wrote the article  body to have checked his story?
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 22:20:24 »

shouldn't I expect the journalist who wrote the article  body to have checked his story?

I suppose it depends on whether you expect facts to outweigh mellifluous use of alliteration.  News vending is an art not a science - and in my opinion a dark art.  I'm grateful to those on the forum who trawl through the rubbish in newspapers to find nuggets of (sometimes nearly accurate) information.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2013, 00:39:48 »

The closest I can get it to take me to Athens, on Aberdeen to Athens is Aberdeen to Rome. Aberdeen to Athens takes approx 28 hours it says, and will cost ^247 single departing 3rd December. Ryanair can do me Edinburgh to Rome for ^89.99 and take 3hrs on 2nd December, which means its only reasonable to use if Aberdeen to Edinburgh plus check in times will take 25 hours and cost ^160
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 10:49:10 »

I tried Aberdeen Sofia although it gave Sofia as a destination it didn't find any trains.

I suppose you could try Aberdeen Brindisi and then ferry to Patras and then coach (definitely no trains although line still in situ all have been services withdrawn)

Tried DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about) travel service couldn't get Athens but got Aberdeen Sofia in 47.23 hours! Via London Eurostar Frankfurt Vienna Budapest Beograd Sofia no fare though!
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2013, 00:40:03 »

Had it confirmed tonight from someone whose just come back from Beruit overland train from Turkey that Greece has Caped all it's international trains. So it is no longer posible to do Aberdeen Athens all the way by rail.

Caped old telegraphic code for cancelled.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2013, 01:08:57 »

Over at RailUK Forums I picked up on the 'Aberdeen to Athens' and 'Swansea to Sarejevo' from the article published by The Independent.

My post got a response from one of Loco2.com's founders and I think it's worth quoting it here.

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Hello all,

The journalist who wrote the article in the Independent this week got rather over excited about the potential of Loco2.com. Though you can't fault him for his enthusiasm, what a journey Aberdeen to Athens would be were it possible! Smiley

When we launched UK (United Kingdom) rail on our site last week we used more modest examples, e.g. Manchester to Milan and Bath to Berlin, which will deliver results from the integrations we have for UK, French and German rail, combined with other international trains CNL, Thello, TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse) Lyria etc. Unfortunately we aren't able, and don't claim, to offer trains from Aberdeen to Athens or Swansea to Sarejevo (we can do Rhyl to Rome though!). But of course we aren't able to control the accuracy of articles written about us.

We've tried to be realistic about our strengths and weaknesses since, as @bignosemac has discovered, we aren't able to offer many trains and tickets into Eastern Europe. We have a map and explanation about the service we provide on the site https://loco2.com/about/train-ticket-coverage

Those of you familiar with rail in Greece will know that sadly there have been no international trains running in or out of Greece since 2011. You can read about that on Seat61's Greece pages.

And for trains to Sarajevo, Loco2 can book trains as far as Zagreb, but as far as we know the train from Zagreb to Sarajevo can't be booked online anywhere (happy to be corrected), and the new trains that we would have had in theory from the end of last year, was never launched. See below,   

"The Zagreb-Sarajevo train was due to become a modern air-conditioned Talgo train from December 2012, but this was delayed and now it seems the still-unused Talgo trains are to be leased to Turkish Railways so may never run to Sarajevo."

I hope no-one minds me coming into the conversation, but I wanted to take the opportunity to point out that the article mentioned isn't representative of our service. However, I'd love to hear other feedback from members of this forum since we rely on feedback (especially from train buffs) so that we can  continue to improve.

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An over-enthusiastic journalist. Who'd've thought?  Tongue Wink Grin

I'm sure that Kate from Loco2.com will also be happy to hear constructive feedback from members of this forum also.
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