Chris from Nailsea
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« on: September 18, 2013, 22:05:27 » |
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Sorting through some of my son's old school books, ready to be shredded or recycled, I noticed this rather graphic public safety page in the diary they were all given: Obviously, it's rather irrelevant for the railway tracks in our area, but I did think it was an impressive attempt to make young people aware of the very real dangers of trespassing on the track. Does anyone know if it is being used elsewhere?
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"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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JayMac
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 23:03:32 » |
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Would this have been part of the Network Rail Safety Education resources that are provided to schools throughout all Key Stages (1-4) of primary and secondary education?
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Alan Pettitt
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 01:44:29 » |
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Dorchester to Weymouth is "our area"!
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JayMac
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 03:41:53 » |
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And of course, Reading to Wokingham and Redbridge (Southampton) to Portsmouth Harbour/Brighton.
I think that's it for FGW▸ workings over third rail.
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation." "Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot." "Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 05:33:44 » |
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And of course, Reading to Wokingham and Redbridge (Southampton) to Portsmouth Harbour/Brighton.
I think that's it for FGW▸ workings over third rail.
Also: Reigate to Gatwick Airport Basingstoke area
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grahame
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 06:50:32 » |
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<pedant> Guildford area </pedant>
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paul7575
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 08:50:17 » |
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The campaign ran nationally in 2009, there were two variants of the main 'coffin' poster, one for third rail areas, and one for the rest, but they both used the same image, only the text below was different: I expect both posters were used in most of the SE, I certainly saw both at stations in SWT▸ 's area. Paul
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 09:16:52 » |
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Did anyone else spot the fact that - erm - there's only two rails in the picture? Or is there some part of the country where they use a beefed-up version of the Hornby system?
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 09:44:57 » |
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I noticed the lack of a third rail too. The sleeper shape would also confuse tamper operators...
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paul7575
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 09:50:14 » |
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Did anyone else spot the fact that - erm - there's only two rails in the picture? Or is there some part of the country where they use a beefed-up version of the Hornby system?
It was criticised (at least in certain enthusiast's forums) at the time of the original campaign. A third rail should definitely have been shown on the ' DC▸ ' version in my opinion. There is much anecdotal evidence that a number of accidents have occurred over the years because people thought it really did work like a Hornby set, and the rails were only live when a train was moving about... However I know this for a fact because a good few years ago I got into a 'heated discussion' about this with some older teenagers who were kicking a ball around the car park at Swanwick, using the gate onto the platform as the goal. Soon enough, their ball ended up in the 'six foot', resting against the nearer conductor rail. One lad simply glanced at the PIS▸ display, jumped down onto the track and picked the ball up, with his legs astride the running rail and the conductor rail - one of his hands would have been within a couple of inches of the live rail. So afterwards I tried to point out the risk being taken, and the group's initial response was that the line was not electrified - they pointed to the obvious lack of OHLE. So I explained about the third rail, and it slowly dawned on a couple of them, but at least some of the group suggested it was OK as there were no trains passing. At the end of the conversation though, they tried to have the final say, because I wasn't railway staff and it was nothing to do with me anyway... Paul
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 11:19:04 » |
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However I know this for a fact because a good few years ago I got into a 'heated discussion' about this with some older teenagers who were kicking a ball around the car park at Swanwick, using the gate onto the platform as the goal. Soon enough, their ball ended up in the 'six foot', resting against the nearer conductor rail. One lad simply glanced at the PIS▸ display, jumped down onto the track and picked the ball up, with his legs astride the running rail and the conductor rail - one of his hands would have been within a couple of inches of the live rail. Presumably it was a dry day? The outcome could have been quite different otherwise.
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grahame
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 11:57:05 » |
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... people thought it really did work like a Hornby set, and the rails were only live when a train was moving about...
At the risk of pulling a very serious topic off-thread, would I be right in thinking that on modern model railways the tracks may be electricfied at all times, with chips within the individual locomotives / power cars controlling when they're to run, and what speed and in which direction, based on signals superimposed on top of the voltage that's always being applied? Of course, model railway sets even if electrified all the time don't carry lethal voltages.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 12:19:46 » |
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...people thought it really did work like a Hornby set, and the rails were only live when a train was moving about...
Gosh, it hadn't occurred to me that people could really think such a thing, any more than they would think that it ran on 12V DC▸ . Edit: At the risk of pulling a very serious topic off-thread, would I be right in thinking that on modern model railways the tracks may be electricfied at all times, with chips within the individual locomotives / power cars controlling when they're to run, and what speed and in which direction, based on signals superimposed on top of the voltage that's always being applied?
Indeed - see this wikipedia article Of course, model railway sets even if electrified all the time don't carry lethal voltages.
I think the early ones (in the thirties) ran one 240v - with no earth leakage devices..!
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2013, 13:00:40 » |
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Gosh, it hadn't occurred to me that people could really think such a thing, any more than they would think that it ran on 12V DC▸ .
It has certainly occurred to me that they sometimes should. The boss of Airtrack explained to me that they had to put OHLE across Staines Moor, because the proprietors of Heathrow T5 would not let any third rail into their shiny new terminal, for fear it would rot the steelwork. Given that this is indoors, there are a number of things that might be done to prevent ground currents reaching the foundations. But, if you still need to reduce any effect further, I couldn't see why any track there and further away should not be off except when a train was moving - even in small sections. That was based on the idea that power semiconductors are now able to switch this kind of load. If that's true you might consider extending this "volts on demand" feature for safety reasons. It's probably been considered before (and I may even have read about it, and forgotten). Of course, model railway sets even if electrified all the time don't carry lethal voltages.
When I was about five, I came very close to killing myself with ours. But it did take some ingenuity to do it.
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