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« Reply #75 on: January 23, 2020, 12:31:18 »

Doing a bit of a Dawlish here following a devastating storm this week.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20200123/473087580978/desaparecidos-temporal-gloria-catalunya-alertas-precaucion-desbordamiento-lluvia.html/
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« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2021, 19:59:44 »

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The time for talking is over. At least it is on Barcelona?s public transport, where commuters are being urged to remain silent on all networks to stop the spread of coronavirus. The Spanish city was a pioneer in introducing 'silence transport', and now the region of La Rioja and the Balearic Islands have also adopted this measure. The idea follows recommendations from health experts.

Mar?a Cruz Minguill?n, a researcher at the Spanish National Research Council (CSIC), explained to local media "people shouting or talking on the phone can emit up to fifty times more particles?.

European scientific studies show that public transport is not a particular risk zone, however the measure could improve the health situation, Isidre Gavin i Valls, the Secretary of Infrastructure and Mobility of the Catalan Government, tells Euronews.

?Many people were afraid because it?s difficult to keep the security distance on public transport, but with measures such as banning eating or drinking, and to remain silent, we reduce the risks,? she says. It is only a recommendation and non-compliance will not lead to any sanctions, authorities confirmed........

I give a little nod of approval to this although I can't see it working in the UK (United Kingdom).

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« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2022, 04:33:30 »

various restrictions but worth looking into.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/09/01/spain-short-and-medium-distance-trains-will-be-free-this-autumn-thanks-to-a-windfall-tax
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« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2022, 11:32:29 »

Early reports suggest no loss of life, but as many as 150 injured.
Local reports suggest that both trains were travelling in the same direction and that one was stopped at a station when the second train struck the rear of the stopped train.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63884695
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2022, 15:18:44 »

Later reports confirm "more than 150 injured"  but confirm that most were not seriously hurt.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63884695


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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2023, 09:48:38 »

Not just in the UK (United Kingdom) then (a la 769s)

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Spain has spent €258 million on trains that are too big to pass through its rail network’s tunnels.

Since the blunder was exposed by local newspaper El Comercio late last month, two transport bosses have been fired.

The 31 commuter trains were ordered by Renfe in 2020. They are set to replace an ageing fleet in the poorly connected northern autonomous regions of Asturias and Cantabria.

Originally slated for completion in 2024, the much-needed update is now likely to be delayed until at least 2026.

It has also emerged that the manufacturer, Basque-based CAF, flagged the error back in March 2021.

President Miguel Ángel Revilla has called it “an unspeakable botch” adding that “heads must roll", according to Spanish regional newspaper El Diario Montañés.

Who is to blame for ordering the wrong size trains?

Various parties played a part in the debacle, including Spain’s national rail operator Renfe, rail infrastructure manager Adif, transport manufacturer CAF and the State Agency for Railway Safety (AESF).

After granting the manufacturing contract to CAF, Renfe says it provided measurements based on infrastructure specifications provided by Adif. CAF later warned that the specifications may not be correct.

Built in the 19th century, the region’s rail network crosses a mountainous landscape. It has varying tunnel sizes that do not adhere to standardised modern dimensions.

So far, two senior officials have been dismissed - a Renfe rolling stock manager and Adif’s head of inspection and track technology.

Spain’s transport minister Raquel Sanchez says she was only recently made aware of the problem. She has launched an internal audit into who knew about the issue and why it wasn’t raised earlier.

Spain’s Secretary General for Infrastructure, Xavier Flores, has admitted that he was made aware of the issue months ago.

What will happen to the oversized trains?

As the trains were still in the design phase, they have not been manufactured yet.

While this minimises the cost of the error, the time-consuming process will need to be repeated, delaying the trains’ construction.

They will now be manufactured using the dimensions of a train that already runs on the network for comparison to ensure they fit through the various tunnels. Adif will also update its infrastructure data accordingly to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

France made a similar error in 2014

This is not the first time such a fiasco has taken place. In 2014, French train operator SNCF (Societe Nationale des Chemins de fer Francais - French National Railways) ordered 2,000 regional trains that were too wide for the network’s platforms.

Again, the error was caused by data from the infrastructure manager that did not account for older structures.

In this case, the trains were already made and the platforms had to be rebuilt at great cost.
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2023, 21:06:06 »

New London Underground trains often resulted in at least minor tweaks to platform edges or track positioning. They tended to be sized to "push the envelope" with the expectation of some adjustment being made (and probably some idea of where that might be) once a real train could be tried carefully for size, rather than err on the side of caution and not make the most of the limited space available in the tunnels. Fancy software now makes it easier to find the tight spots in advance.
There may be a little of that approach in this one, though it may of course equally be sheer incompetence.
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« Reply #82 on: June 02, 2023, 11:25:06 »

For those of you over 60, can I recommend this Spanish rail pass. I bought mine in Vigo after travelling up from Porto and it cost 6 euros and gives you up to 50% off RENFE (Spanish National Railways (Red Nacional de Ferrocarriles Espanoles)) fares for a whole year. All that is needed is the sight of your passport and it can be renewed online. I recouped the cost of the card on the onward journey to A Coruna and over the next 8 days saved over £50 in rail fares!
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« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2024, 07:21:51 »

I'm beginning to understand Spanish trains.  It has puzzled me why services seem so sparse, and why both narrow and broad gauges continue to exist.

The year before last, I travelled up to the middle of the north coast at Gijon on one of a handful of broad gauge trains each day and after a bit or local stuff turned left along the line to Ferrol.  Narrow gauge, the line in the mid section had an incredibly long single track section that took 3 hours to traverse, and I wondered as to whether it was an expensive anachronism.  Two trains a day is poor enough, but there are some stations at which only one train calls. 

This year, I have arrived into Bilbao on the ferry from Portsmouth, and Lisa and I are based here for a few days.  From west to east, Ferrol (1 on map), Gijon (2), Santander (3), Bilbao (4) and San Sebastian  / Donostia (5) are on the north coast with broad gauge lines going inland (blue) and narrow gauge (red) along the coast joining them up. And today I have taken the train from Bilbao to San Sebastian - a journey of some 2.5 hours each way covering rather less than 50 kms as the crow flies.



What a contrast.  The train is electric, modern, and runs every hour from early morning into the evening.  It starts off in the metro / underground as part of a service running frequently (8 times an hour?) but alternate service peel off so it becomes every 15 minutes, then every half hour, then hourly. And, yes, it IS well used; lots of local traffic along the way, and as we approach San Sebastian another service joins us - a short run making it half hourly. Then a branch comes in, and as we get to San Sebastian it's 4 trains an hour again.

Much of the middle section is single tracked, but unlike the section at the west end towards Ferrol there are copious passing loops, mostly at stations, and the trains pass each other almost in a synchronised ballet.  No mucking about waiting for single lines of tokens, but very little waiting around either.

So why does it remain so slow and narrow gauge?  Because of the terrain!  The line twists its way up deep valleys, and slides up steep ravines.  It curls round river and the sea's inlets, and pieces it way by tunnel through the mountains. There's no way it would be any faster on broad (Iberian) gauge, and the cost of the extra engineering would be horrific.  But it works as a long distance service for a lot of local journeys; half way along, the train is still busy but hardly any of the original passengers remain.

What a contrast to the Gijon to Ferrol section - though there are parallels with addition service running at both ends of the thin middle.   I have heard that's to close - but for electrification and modernisation.  I had to wonder when I heard that news "who are they kidding", but looking again with today's experience, I can see the logic. For the old section twists and turns through a number of signifiant towns - major latent business potential - with splays of disused tracks that so easily be modernised into appropriate passing loops.

In modernisation, I suspect the quaint charm will be lost, but what will come in its place will be a useful and used modern railway though spectacular scenery, services running frequently enough to meet the general needs of the area.  I suspect a handful of the many stations will be lost; one of two seemed to cater for no more than a couple of farmhouses, with the daily (afternoon) train I was on just dropping off  couple of school pupils.  Looking carefully out of the window of today's new train, I can see evidence of some places where there used to be a station but is no longer.  I have also noticed the odd place where a tunnel cutoff has been added, and maps tell me that another is proposed in the heart of San Sebastian.









I say that one of the objectives of my travelling is to learn lessons for England.  What have I learned here?

* An hourly service is USED. It makes a huge difference and is really what we need for our Swindon - Chippenham - Melksham - Trowbridge - Westbury line

* A simple, low cost fare system attracts people to rail. I'm paying 2 Euros each way on a swipe card and I suspect that everyone else on the train is on the same (zonal, swipe in and out) system.

* Trains are electric, run reliably, and are clock-face to the same timetable all week (except a the first service on a Sunday is an hour later) work

* It's attractive to thread the various services on the line uniformly with others running short or to different destinations

* Hard seats are ****dy hard the world over!
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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2024, 17:23:57 »

There's a new high-speed line under construction between Bilbao, San Sebastian and Vittoria (the Basque "Y") - thence to Madrid, however, progress seems to have been fairly tortuous, even by the standards of HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)). As I understand it, the current status is that it will reach the outskirts of Bilbao in 2025 with rail system installation underway. Tunneling on the last bit into Bilbao's main station won't start until 2026, but that agreement was achieved was a minor miracle.   

Part of the problem lies in the antipathy between the Basques and Madrid. Again, if I understand properly, the metre-gauge network in the North East belongs to the Basque government, whilst the broad-gauge network belongs to Madrid. So Bilbao has metre-gauge trams and a very shiny (metre-gauge) metro with Norman Foster-designed stations, plus the metre-gauge regional network you describe, and even a bit of metre-gauge freight. But also has a somewhat less shiny RENFE (Spanish National Railways (Red Nacional de Ferrocarriles Espanoles)) suburban network, with a rather down at heel central station. IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly) there are only two trains to Madrid a day from Bilbao, but about 20 road coaches, which don't take much longer to be fair. 

Anyway, can thoroughly recommend Bilbao, lovely place with some amazing food.
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