That MTLS lot are at it again

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[12hoursunday]

http://forum.moretrainlessstrain.co.uk/index.php?topic=103.0

but can someone tell how these numbties intend to access Bath Plymouth Swindn Oxford and Reading when all of these stations have these



WHAT A GROUP OF IDIOTS MR^▸ (Midland Railway) AMBROSE AND HIS GANG ARE!

See my comment - 2 posts down -  Graham

[Ollie]

"There are ways around this without us touching them. We have absolutely no inention of doing anything illegal."

So fare evasion isn't illegal anymore? Wow, I'm really not up to date anymore.

[grahame]

If you disagree with the tactics / approach taken by "More Train Less Strain", I think you'll do far better by taking a reasoned approach that by shouting things which are verging on personal attacks on them here on this board.

Quite apart from anything else, all of our posters here signed up to our terms when they joined, and they allow you to disagree, but require that you stop short of personal attacks.   And whether or not I might agree with your views of someone else, I and my fellow moderators will enforce this rule ...

[Tim]

Whether or not you think there tactics are stupid or not and whether or not you think their actions are illegal or not, they will suceed in getting press coverage and some of the mud will stick at FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and some at DfT^» (Department for Transport - about).  I for one think that that is a good thing.  our fares are too high, our trains are too crowded and MLTS have every right to highlights those facts becaus ethey are true.

[vacman]

Whether they prove their point or not they will still have a criminal record long after FGW^▸ (First Great Western) cease to exist so who really gets the last laugh? FGW!

[devon_metro]

Are these people off their heads?

"FGW^▸ (First Great Western) ANNOUNCES BREATH TAKING FARE INCREASES"

Surely the whole country should be on a fare strike

[Jim]

They do have a right to do it, and will excersise it, BUT at the same time, FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have a right to prosucute, and should excersise it!

You don't not pay for fuel at the garage becaause it is too expensive,
You don't not pay for the Coffee because it tasted horriable,
You don't ask for a refund when you go to a film but didn't like it!

So WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!

[Mookiemoo]

They do have a right to do it, and will excersise it, BUT at the same time, FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have a right to prosucute, and should excersise it!

You don't not pay for fuel at the garage becaause it is too expensive,
You don't not pay for the Coffee because it tasted horriable,
You don't ask for a refund when you go to a film but didn't like it!

So WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!

Well actually, if I did have a horrible cup of coffee I would refuse to pay for it

[Jim]

They do have a right to do it, and will excersise it, BUT at the same time, FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have a right to prosucute, and should excersise it!

You don't not pay for fuel at the garage becaause it is too expensive,
You don't not pay for the Coffee because it tasted horriable,
You don't ask for a refund when you go to a film but didn't like it!

So WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!

Well actually, if I did have a horrible cup of coffee I would refuse to pay for it

Ok, point taken, but you know what I blinking well mean!

[John R]

"Evasion - to escape or avoid by cunning"

I don't think the protestors would be guilty of fare evasion, as they would all be making it clear to First Great Western what they are doing and why. I suspect that's why last time FGW^▸ (First Great Western) let them have their moment of glory.

I think a few contributors seem not to appreciate that many of us are fed up with the service we are getting and the fare increases well above inflation. Frustrated by the lack of ability to do anything else, this is their answer. But ask yourself this, if it hadn't been for the antics of MTLS^▸ (More Train Less Strain) first time around, which was highly effective in getting national publicity, would the 158s imported from First Transpennine have arrived so quickly? Would there have been a fare cut in the summer? Would Andrew Haines have ousted Ms Forster? Would the local refurbs be a bit more comprehensive? I suspect not. 

So for those of you critical of MTLS, tell me, how would you protest against the service and fares? Or would you not bother?     

[vacman]

By producing a false ticket is fare evasion, and to refuse to pay is contrary to section 5 of the regulation of railways act 1889, also there is a byelaw offence of "travelling on a railway wihout a ticket" which is the "get out of jail card" for train companies when the evidence is dodgy and is basicly anyone who doesn't hold a valid ticket after having the opportunity to buy one can be prosecuted under that byelaw. As for what MTLS^▸ (More Train Less Strain) think they achieved last time..... well not a lot really, the TPE^▸ (Trans Pennine Express) units were destined for FGW^▸ (First Great Western) anyway, the units were to be refurbished anyway, they would have had to act on the overcrowding no matter what and the last fare strike was a joke anyway because only about 2 people actually took part! If FGW is that bad then go by bus or drive, you may then realise just how lucky we are to have a train service!

[Shazz]

I do love the "There are ways around this without us touching them. We have absolutely no inention of doing anything illegal."

...oh wait

[12hoursunday]

   our trains are too crowded

what a load of baloany! our trains are to crowded. You talk of crowded trains as if it's a new phenomenon. The fact of the matter is crowded trains have been about since........well the outset of the train actually, so your argument don't hold a lot of water there. Do yourself a favour and take a trip up to Clapham Junction and then you'll see a real crowded train ( a lot of them actually) you may have a different veiw of things then. The fares well they are a tad on the dear side I admit, so drive your car and pay for the parking and you'll find that it will probably add to more than ^6.80 Bath to Bristol. Like Jim says there are many things that I think are expensive PETROL, COUNCIL TAX, MARS BARS, BEER ELECTRIC and GAS but that don't give me the right not to pay for them. Love em or Hate em I hope that FGW^▸ (First Great Western) dig in their heels on this one mud sticking or not and I hope anyone getting caught gets prosecuted! 

[mada]

   our trains are too crowded

what a load of baloany! our trains are to crowded. You talk of crowded trains as if it's a new phenomenon. The fact of the matter is crowded trains have been about since........well the outset of the train actually, so your argument don't hold a lot of water there. Do yourself a favour and take a trip up to Clapham Junction and then you'll see a real crowded train ( a lot of them actually) you may have a different veiw of things then. The fares well they are a tad on the dear side I admit, so drive your car and pay for the parking and you'll find that it will probably add to more than ^6.80 Bath to Bristol. Like Jim says there are many things that I think are expensive PETROL, COUNCIL TAX, MARS BARS, BEER ELECTRIC and GAS but that don't give me the right not to pay for them. Love em or Hate em I hope that FGW^▸ (First Great Western) dig in their heels on this one mud sticking or not and I hope anyone getting caught gets prosecuted! 

I'd like to announce the formation of MMBLM or More Mars Bars Less Money. We will be holding a 32p strike where everyone refuses to pay for their Mars bar on a specific date due to be announced shortly. We are sick of the constant rise in the cost of confectionery and we will now take the chocolate until the shops lower their prices!

[swlines]

Just thought - platform tickets come to mind.