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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2013, 21:05:32 » |
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OK, who spotted it then? On The Railway just a minute ago, one of the controllers made a "off peak tickets are not valid" style announcement.  |
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 21:25:16 » |
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Would love to know what 'up' service he was referring to. As is the case with 'down' evening services, there are numerous exceptions where an Off Peak ticket may be valid in the morning peak from Reading. Different origins have different time restrictions and not all those will match what applies from Reading. So anyone there changing trains may be denied travel opportunities by that announcement.  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 23:01:09 » |
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Hmm, not sure about that! Other than the CV international connectional ticket for E*, I had a goid rummage only a tear ago, and couldn't find any ticket valid through RDG‡ and PAD» in the AM peak....
Not seen the programme, am adsuming the announcement was on an HST▸ ?
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 23:04:19 » |
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Erm, no: it was made on the public address system at Paddington.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 23:36:03 » |
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Made on the PA▸ at Reading wasn't it?
I've heard that announcement at Reading made for a fast train at 0925. I was travelling up from Newbury with an Off Peak Day Return valid from Newbury after 0850. The 0858 arrives Reading at 0919 and I can change onto that 0925 even though, from Reading Off Peak Day tickets are not valid on it.
A less esoteric example would be someone travelling from Basingstoke to Edinburgh, changing at Reading, travelling via London. Both Off Peak and Super Off Peak Returns are valid on the 0807 from Basingstoke, connecting into the 0845 from Reading. A train that will no doubt get the PA announcement saying 'Off Peak tickets are not valid on this train'. Joe McPublic travelling home to Caledonia looks at his ticket, his seat reservation and/or his itinerary and thinks "Huh? Can I board this train or not? The man says Off Peak tickets are not valid, he must be right, he works for the railways."
No, the man from the railways is wrong to make such an announcement. It's no good hiding behind the argument that the announcement may apply to the majority of passengers. Even if just one passenger is misled, that's one passenger too many.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 23:43:32 » |
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I meant Reading, obviously. Sorry.  |
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 08:08:03 » |
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Hmm, not sure about that! Other than the CV international connectional ticket for E*, I had a goid rummage only a tear ago, and couldn't find any ticket valid through RDG‡ and PAD» in the AM peak....
If you "calm down"  and check the previous page of this thread, you'll find another example: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=12067.msg127244#msg127244 |
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 08:14:34 » |
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Aah, thats in the other direction! I thought the reference was travelling 'towards' PAD» ....
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grahame
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2013, 09:59:21 » |
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Aah, thats in the other direction! I thought the reference was travelling 'towards' PAD» ....
Both ways ... If I'm travelling our from Paddington in the evening peak, and coming back into London in the morning a couple of days later, but don't know exactly which trains I'll be using, I think I'm allowed to use buy a Grantham ticket, aren't I? Certainly looks valid on the 17:30 from Paddington and on the 07:05 from Chippenham ...
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2013, 23:38:56 » |
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Isn't there also something about taking any Sleeper Train with an Off-Peak or Super Off Peak ticket, you can use it to continue your journey in the peak once you've arrived in London? I recall reading something similar under restriction code W0. I bought an Off Peak Single from Taunton to Chalkwell about 18 months ago onboard the sleeper which was passed ok at Fenchurch Street Gateline at 6:45 AM by RPI▸ 's on the train. Ticket barrier didn't like it at Chalkwell though because it had got bent in my wallet. The member of staff didn't like seeing an Off Peak ticket at that time either. I had a feeling she was going to debate it, but when she saw the ticket had been issued at 1:45 AM, she either knew about the easement or thought better of it... I remember thinking, Good decision... I was in Seated Accomodation  |
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2013, 18:16:43 » |
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Just about to leave Waterloo and yet another different voice is telling us that super off peaks and Oyster▸ cards are not valid. That must be at least 5 different staff members who work this route who incorrectly believe this (or are incorrectly summarising the situation).
I'll be travelling this exact train on an EMT» &Connections Advance ticket in a few weeks time. Wonder what sort of response my ticket will bring.
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2013, 19:55:13 » |
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Interesting question actually, I recently travelled out of Waterloo in the peak on an off peak travelcard, was this valid?
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2013, 20:27:18 » |
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Interesting question actually, I recently travelled out of Waterloo in the peak on an off peak travelcard, was this valid?
Within the London Fare Zones, it is valid anytime after 09:30. No evening restriction. Outboundary, the Travelcard may or may not have a restriction. |
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2013, 08:27:57 » |
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If it's an SWT▸ priced Travelcard and Off-Peak ticket will be valid in the evening peak. On the SWT priced flows it's only the Super-Off Peak fares which have evening restrictions from London, but still not within the London Fare Zones.
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2013, 12:31:19 » |
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I believe they are also usually using 'Oyster▸ ' as a shorthand for 'Oyster PAYG▸ is not valid on this train because it doesn't stop anywhere within the zones'. As the barrier lines are common to large groups of platforms it's not possible to switch individual gate functionality depending on destination (a similar limitation to the one discussed regarding Paddington and offpeak fares a few days ago).
Unfortunately a 'blanket ban' on Oyster will not be correct for a very small number of people using an Oyster travelcard season in conjunction with an extension ticket, which would be valid non-stop...
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