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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 19:32:51 » |
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And what are all those passengers for Reading doing on the 1803? The service is supposed to be pick-up only at Reading.
I've never thought of that before. A very good question. How do you stop them unless you man every door and check everyone boarding |
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 19:54:49 » |
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How do you stop them unless you man every door and check everyone boarding
You don't. You simply leave out the Reading stop one evening and have revenue protection pass through the train as it speeds westwards towards Taunton  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 20:00:25 » |
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How do you stop them unless you man every door and check everyone boarding
You don't. You simply leave out the Reading stop one evening and have revenue protection pass through the train as it speeds westwards towards Taunton What about the people boarding at reading? Other than that a superb idea |
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 20:24:29 » |
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1803 is Pick-up only at Reading on a Friday.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 20:26:31 » |
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How do you stop them unless you man every door and check everyone boarding
You don't. You simply leave out the Reading stop one evening and have revenue protection pass through the train as it speeds westwards towards Taunton What about the people boarding at reading? Other than that a superb idea  Somehow have Revenue Protection on the platform at Reading and stop anyone getting off.... (difficult but more likely than upsetting those wanting to board at Reading ). |
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 20:40:05 » |
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1803 is Pick-up only at Reading on a Friday.
Printed and .pdf timetables show the 1803 as being pick-up only Mon-Fri, as do some booking engines. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2013, 20:45:16 » |
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I only checked NRE‡ and it shows it as a booked stop for London passengers Monday-Thursday. I can also confirm, as the 1803 is on one of our diagrams, that it only shows "U" for Reading on a Friday, and Paddington CIS▸ / PA▸ show it as a booked stop M-Th. (I have no issue with it becoming "U" at Reading all five days though ). |
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2013, 20:53:10 » |
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Not unusual to have a difference of opinion across public sources of information.
Whatever the actual situation, if a service is pick-up only, that should be enforced. I've never seen any enforcement before boarding, on board, or on arrival at Reading for the weekday xx03/06 departures from Paddington.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2013, 21:07:41 » |
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I agree. On a Friday, I always challenge passengers before they board where possible, and make necessary announcements that the first booked station call is Taunton and this service is not booked for alighting at Reading - unless we receive backup from Revenue/BTP▸ , no-one is going to cough up the Anytime Single fare to Taunton when they know they can walk off the train at Reading.
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Since that night, I personally check all tickets before departing London on the Sleeper and send any Readings over to the 2348, no excuses.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2013, 09:18:17 » |
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And what are all those passengers for Reading doing on the 1803? The service is supposed to be pick-up only at Reading.
They should cancel the Reading call one Friday night (when the 1833 ex Pad is running anyway), and carry everyone on to Taunton. And collect the excess fares . . . OK, passengers for beyond Plymouth are more inconvenienced, but FGW▸ can cope with that. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 11:33:29 » |
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They could make a start by not anouncing that the 18-03 stops at Reading, at present both the anouncements and the departure indicator boards state that the 18-03 stops at Reading. A reasonable person could therefore assume that it is in order to use this service to Reading.
If the Reading stop was not advertised at Paddington, then the railway would have a much stronger case for penalising those alighting at a "pick up only" stop.
IIRC▸ there was a discussion about this some time ago ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 12:58:39 » |
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We never seem to get this problem at Waterloo on pick up only trains at Clapham Jcn (Gatwick pax) Woking (Heathrow pax) to Exeter.
I note they don't bother in the reverse direction except the first ex Exeter train, but solve it by just not stopping at either!! (You have to change at Basingstoke).
Perhaps it is because there are so many trains to and from Woking? I've never worked that one out but there must be a reason.
Presumably ticket barriers could be programmed not to accept drop-offs to such destinations?
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2013, 15:00:40 » |
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The barriers cover 6 (?) platforms - and about 20 trains (?) in a two hour period. Of which only one doest drop at Reading.
You have a, roughly - 17:45, 17:48, 17:51, 18:00, 18:03, 18:06, 18:15 ............... and I suspect one or two I've forgotten ............... all dropping off at reading, going from itnerchangable platforms, except the 18:03
How do you program the barriers?
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2013, 15:18:49 » |
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No you cant program a gate to stop drop off passengers only unless you set the gates to bar ALL tickets FROM Pad. Obviously this would cause a riot at Reading as there isn't a specific gate array for a specific platform.
You could however set the gate array for the departing platform at Pad to reject all tickets TO Rdg. This would simply stop anyone boarding with a ticket only to Rdg as the ticket would have to be seen by a Gateline Assistant.
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2013, 15:27:29 » |
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They could make a start by not anouncing that the 18-03 stops at Reading, at present both the anouncements and the departure indicator boards state that the 18-03 stops at Reading. A reasonable person could therefore assume that it is in order to use this service to Reading.
If the Reading stop was not advertised at Paddington, then the railway would have a much stronger case for penalising those alighting at a "pick up only" stop.
IIRC▸ there was a discussion about this some time ago ?
The Reading stop has never been advertised on Fridays when I've been at Paddington in the past and similarly the window labels don't have Reading on on Fridays. On Mondays-Thursdays the Reading stop is advertised as the trains aren't pick up only. |
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