SDO - just a problem on the cotswold line or else where as well....

[whole diary]

[TerminalJunkie]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this problem is to rearrange the carriages within each train so that First Class is somewhere in the middle...

[Mookiemoo]

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this problem is to rearrange the carriages within each train so that First Class is somewhere in the middle...

NO!

Thats what happened on the 180s

nightmare

[TerminalJunkie]

NO!

Oh bugger, now I've upset a first-class ticket holder. That means I've only got 12 days to come up with a different New Year's Resolution...

[Mookiemoo]

NO!

Oh bugger, now I've upset a first-class ticket holder. That means I've only got 12 days to come up with a different New Year's Resolution...

Can I just say - not all first class ticket holders are nobs

You do 0632 from WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) to PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains) and then 1822 PAD to WOS 5 days a week and see how long you last standard?

i tried it standard - and ended up a zombie by friday!

Some of us dont do it because we think we're better but because it is the only way it is tolerable.

I dont understand the antipaty towards 1st travellers other than the total nobs who do think they are better than the rest

[shadow]

I'm sorry now if my next couple of posts sound stupid or anything, i'm just trying to get my head around all of this.

Do bikes have to be at the front or back of the HST^▸ (High Speed Train)?

[Mookiemoo]

I'm sorry now if my next couple of posts sound stupid or anything, i'm just trying to get my head around all of this.

Do bikes have to be at the front or back of the HST^▸ (High Speed Train)?

Depends which power car is on/of the platform where you get on or off........


There is no simple rule

I still do not understand why it had to be this complicated

[shadow]

I'm sorry now if my next couple of posts sound stupid or anything, i'm just trying to get my head around all of this.

Do bikes have to be at the front or back of the HST^▸ (High Speed Train)?

Depends which power car is on/of the platform where you get on or off........


There is no simple rule

I still do not understand why it had to be this complicated

So sometimes its the front, and sometimes it's the back??

Why make it so damn complicated!? would it not just be easier to stick with one way, like the back when the train is in normal formation, and only when it's in reverse formation, have the cycles at the front? Then if it's a short platform, they have to make sure that the end that has the cycles on is on the platform...sorry if i'm repeating stuff that other people have said...

First great western, you will forever bamboozle me

[vacman]

Official line is that the FRONT  power car is on all platfroms and anyone going to/from a short platform must put their bike in there, if you are travelling between two "long" platforms then you can put your bike in the van at the rear.

[Lee]

Train Fellows post (link below.)
http://trainfellows.blogspot.com/2007/12/selective-door-opening.html

[Jim]

Lets hope so!!!!!!!

See - I don't understand why they couldn't carry on stopping where they were, after all, there was nearly always a TGS on!

[oooooo]

Trials are to take place on certain services at certain locations where the back half of the train is platformed as the system is already in a mess. The 05:24 PLY^» (Plymouth - next trains) to PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains) is one service where different stopping arrangements will be trialed. Stations like Worle etc the back of the train will be platformed to avoid upsetting the First Class passengers when 100 odd people walk through their carriage (although expect they'll start moaning they have to walk through standard to get to their coach now). This however seems another ill thought out plan, what if you join at one of the stations where the front power car is platformed, put your bike in the power car, then want to leave at a station where the rear of the train is platformed??

[vacman]

Trials are to take place on certain services at certain locations where the back half of the train is platformed as the system is already in a mess. The 05:24 PLY^» (Plymouth - next trains) to PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains) is one service where different stopping arrangements will be trialed. Stations like Worle etc the back of the train will be platformed to avoid upsetting the First Class passengers when 100 odd people walk through their carriage (although expect they'll start moaning they have to walk through standard to get to their coach now). This however seems another ill thought out plan, what if you join at one of the stations where the front power car is platformed, put your bike in the power car, then want to leave at a station where the rear of the train is platformed??

I thought that if the train is to stop with the TGS one at one station then they will use the same stopping patern for the whole journey??

[John R]

It's not so much that it upsets the 1st class passengers (though I'm sure it does), it's just that passengers instinctively think "oh I can't get on here" and migrate to the standard class. So at Nailsea, instead of 5 platformed standard class coaches, you now have a leading power car, 2x1st class, 1x 1st buffet, and 1 standard class platformed and doors open. Result 60+ passengers trying to enter through a couple of doors instead of nine. So dwell times increase considerably, particularly as the coach available to board is already probably full to standing by the time it gets to Nailsea, because it's been the only available coach at several of the previous stations.

Except on most days common sense has prevailed and the train draws up with the train in its pre December 9th position.

[DEVONSHIRE]

I am led to believe from staff at FGW^▸ (First Great Western) that the reason that the front of the train is the portion that is platformed is that a consistent stopping position was agreed with the HMRI^▸ (Her Majesty's Railway Inspectorate). If there is a signal associated with the platform there are going to be occasions when this is showing red and therefore it is not possible to go past with the First Class and put the rear on the platform. Also the Train Manager now has to be at a particular door panel for each short platform and if in the above scenario they positioned themselves towards the front to release the doors to the rear of their position and the signal was at red they would not be able to release to the rear as some of the rear coaches would be off the platform and would then only be able to release those doors in front of them. On a platform which should hold 6 coaches this would result in only being able to open the front 2.
Not all platforms are fitted with boards to indicate exactly where the driver should position the train if the rear portion is to be platformed and finally all the wheelchair positions are now located in one half of the train - coaches E and G and it is far easier and quicker to reposition a train by drawing forward than by asking permission to set back where the driver would have to change ends, set back into the station and then change ends again.

[devon_metro]

They stop with First class and coach E at Ivybridge, i know that!