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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 13:33:19 » |
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Why don't they chip us all and monitor us by satellite?
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 14:30:41 » |
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The problem is this: how do you screen passengers who change trains? It is possible to tour almost all of the London Underground system having never passed through a gateline in Greater London.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 17:22:27 » |
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Why don't they chip us all and monitor us by satellite?
Because the satellite cant see you when below ground which of course much of the underground and part of the national network is. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 12:30:01 » |
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The cost would be too high.....
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 14:14:27 » |
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What a load of absolute rubbish.
If someone wants to kill a crowd of people in the UK▸ tomorrow, they will find a way to do it.
It doesn't matter how much you inconvenience people by searching them.
It doesn't matter how many armed police you deploy in our railway stations.
It doesn't matter how many things/objects that are banned.
In fact, they'll probably detonate/get the gun out in the mass queue of people waiting to be searched. Or in a major shopping street/square/motorway.
It's a smokescreen. It's nonsense. It's just so the government can say "look, we're doing something", "look, everyone's safe".
To catch terrorists, you use CCTV▸ , undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 14:15:38 » |
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To catch terrorists, you use CCTV▸ , undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!!
Why not open up every letter sent in the post? Even better, why not ban envelopes? Make everyone send things on a postcard. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 14:39:16 » |
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It's a smokescreen. It's nonsense. It's just so the government can say "look, we're doing something", "look, everyone's safe".
To catch terrorists, you use CCTV▸ , undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!!
Spying on people doesn't work all the time either. I encrypt a large amount of information using 1-key ciphers, oh, a super computer will take 20million years to decrypt it. Speaking to people you can do the same. A book cipher works incredibly well and is near impossible to break. CCTV is beatable through a variety of methods, some of which I won't go into; the most simple is to avoid it. Great, police monitor my internet traffic, use a self signed SSL▸ page to communicate, even with a GAK, it will take weeks to decrypt the information. Kindly don't suggest silly things that I can easily get around. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 15:15:25 » |
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I fail to see the point in airline style screening at Railway stations.
It would be utterly impossible to bring it in at every station including all those manned part time or not at all.
If terrorists wish to commit an outrage at say, Paddington, what is to stop them getting on a service at one of the many unstaffed stations in the West or Wales and travelling into Paddington to commit mass murder.
No amount of screening those departing by train from Paddington would stop this, and even screening arrivals into paddington would not stop attacks before the screening point, or indeed on the often very crowded trains between Reading and Paddington.
It would also cause endless delay, as at airports "please allow 2 hours to check in"
And a "fine" of hundreds of pounds if the security screening means your "booked train only" ticket is no longer valid.
Expect also a long list of prohibited items including, liquids, nail scissors, hand tools, food, drink, electronic items, and one random item that is different each day.
Very silly idea.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 16:38:37 » |
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.... and who's going to pay for all this high-tech kit? Just as they're upping the fares to pay for electrification - it's us!
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Btline
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2012, 16:47:19 » |
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Spying on people doesn't work all the time either. I encrypt a large amount of information using 1-key ciphers, oh, a super computer will take 20million years to decrypt it.
Speaking to people you can do the same. A book cipher works incredibly well and is near impossible to break.
CCTV▸ is beatable through a variety of methods, some of which I won't go into; the most simple is to avoid it.
Great, police monitor my internet traffic, use a self signed SSL▸ page to communicate, even with a GAK, it will take weeks to decrypt the information.
Kindly don't suggest silly things that I can easily get around.
Ok, perhaps you're right about that. But it still doesn't mean screening at railways makes life safer!For a start, they'll just board at Finstock, which will probably have every HST▸ calling pretty soon due to demand  , accessing the railway at a point where it would never justify having a security screen. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 17:29:20 » |
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Having recently queued with thousands of ordinary holiday makers to get through the shoe-sniffing security at Bristol Airport, I would rather see railway station-style security at airports.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 18:13:43 » |
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Having recently queued with thousands of ordinary holiday makers to get through the shoe-sniffing security at Bristol Airport, I would rather see railway station-style security at airports.
Why? If there was no security at airports, you'd just be in the departure lounge for an extra 10 minutes? You wouldn't save time. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 19:40:23 » |
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But I wouldn't have to virtually undress, hand over my bottle of water, and put my hand luggage through the scanner half a dozen times. And Mrs FTN would still have her nail scissors, her whatever they are for doing something at her eyebrows (or lashes - beats me), and her prized machete that she forgot was in her bag.
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