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[JayMac]

grahame is correct. Through trains are always permitted. Whether they reverse, double-back through a station, loop-the-loop or go via Sidmouth.

From the National Routeing Guide:

Through Train
A through train is one which runs between the origin and destination stations and on which passengers can make their journey without having to change trains.

[TerminalJunkie]

grahame is correct. Through trains are always permitted. Whether they reverse, double-back through a station, loop-the-loop or go via Sidmouth.

From the National Routeing Guide:

Through Train
A through train is one which runs between the origin and destination stations and on which passengers can make their journey without having to change trains.

...except on the Fife Circle.

[Louis94]

Hell, you'd be sold a return to Keyham and made to get off there to catch the service coming back again!! Its like all these students who get on at Truro with a single to Perranwell on a train that doesnt stop there then state they'll stay on until Falmouth and get off at Perranwell on the way back. Funnily enough they go missing at Falmouth having paid to Perranwell to get past the gateline and the most execellant gateline staff. I love Truro gateline staff they are fab.

As the service is a through train it is perfectly allowed to double back, also it is allowed to double back between 'group' stations which Keyham, Dockyard, Devonport and Plymouth are all part of the Plymouth group for fares purposes. You'd struggle to exit at Plymouth anyway, with a gateline!

How is it the gateline staffs fault? They have a valid ticket from that station, so surely the gateline staff would not be involve at all, because the gate would open automatically! If a conductor is checking tickets and allowing a student to do that rather than telling them to get off at Penryn, they are just as much at fault as the gateline staff!

[Btline]

On the Fife circle, savvy commuters use this rule. They buy a ticket to the first stop on the circle and then travel the wrong way round, getting off halfway round the circle, where the fare would be much higher. Must save thousands...

[LiskeardRich]

Hell, you'd be sold a return to Keyham and made to get off there to catch the service coming back again!! Its like all these students who get on at Truro with a single to Perranwell on a train that doesnt stop there then state they'll stay on until Falmouth and get off at Perranwell on the way back. Funnily enough they go missing at Falmouth having paid to Perranwell to get past the gateline and the most execellant gateline staff. I love Truro gateline staff they are fab.

As the service is a through train it is perfectly allowed to double back, also it is allowed to double back between 'group' stations which Keyham, Dockyard, Devonport and Plymouth are all part of the Plymouth group for fares purposes. You'd struggle to exit at Plymouth anyway, with a gateline!

How is it the gateline staffs fault? They have a valid ticket from that station, so surely the gateline staff would not be involve at all, because the gate would open automatically! If a conductor is checking tickets and allowing a student to do that rather than telling them to get off at Penryn, they are just as much at fault as the gateline staff!

Should in theory be a permitted route to go from Truro to perranwell on a non stopper via Falmouth, based on "A through train is one which runs between the origin and destination stations and on which passengers can make their journey without having to change trains". Thats assuming the return from Falmouth to Truro stops at Perranwell. As stopping short is permitted on some tickets, in theory bailing off at Falmouth would be stopping short as it is prior to the train arriving in Perranwell on the through train example above.

[smokey]

On a Truro to Falmouth Docks train the

Origin Station is Truro.

Destination Station is Falmouth Docks.

The Return working is a different train service with IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly) a different Headcode.

[Louis94]

On a Truro to Falmouth Docks train the

Origin Station is Truro.

Destination Station is Falmouth Docks.

The Return working is a different train service with IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly) a different Headcode.

That is correct.

Should in theory be a permitted route to go from Truro to perranwell on a non stopper via Falmouth, based on "A through train is one which runs between the origin and destination stations and on which passengers can make their journey without having to change trains". Thats assuming the return from Falmouth to Truro stops at Perranwell. As stopping short is permitted on some tickets, in theory bailing off at Falmouth would be stopping short as it is prior to the train arriving in Perranwell on the through train example above.

When it says 'A through train' it means ONE train service, Truro to Falmouth Docks is one train service, Falmouth Docks to Truro is another, therefore when the train arrives at Falmouth Dock it is classed as a change of trains, even though in reality it is the same train.

[LiskeardRich]

On a Truro to Falmouth Docks train the

Origin Station is Truro.

Destination Station is Falmouth Docks.

The Return working is a different train service with IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly) a different Headcode.

That is correct.

Should in theory be a permitted route to go from Truro to perranwell on a non stopper via Falmouth, based on "A through train is one which runs between the origin and destination stations and on which passengers can make their journey without having to change trains". Thats assuming the return from Falmouth to Truro stops at Perranwell. As stopping short is permitted on some tickets, in theory bailing off at Falmouth would be stopping short as it is prior to the train arriving in Perranwell on the through train example above.

When it says 'A through train' it means ONE train service, Truro to Falmouth Docks is one train service, Falmouth Docks to Truro is another, therefore when the train arrives at Falmouth Dock it is classed as a change of trains, even though in reality it is the same train.

Howver BNM from which i got my theory from suggests otherwise in his above post

[Louis94]

Howver BNM from which i got my theory from suggests otherwise in his above post

If you take the word 'train' literally that is, of course it isn't meant to be. When it says train, it means a service, not a train as a whole on a diagram.

[smokey]

With reguards to the Truro Perranwell via Falmouth journey example, at Falmouth Docks the Train terminates and all passengers should alight.
So when the train leaves Falmouth Docks any passengers coming back has Changed trains even if without getting out their seat.

With St Budeaux Ferry Road and Victoria Road there is a problem AIUI^▸ (as I understand it) in that a fare from Ferry Road to St Budeaux should be priced via Keyham, but as Plymouth group stations then the ticket would be valid at Plymouth so it would become cheaper to buy a St Budeaux to Keyham ticket than one to Plymouth yet both would be valid at Plymouth, a St Budeaux Keyham ticket technically valid only for change of Trains, but Break of journey is allowed for changing trains.

The Answer would be to call both stations simlply St Budeaux make Ferry road platform 1 (downside), platform 2 (upside) and Victoria Road platform 3 (Branch).

However I have a suspiicion that to make this simple change means that as 2 Stations would become 1 it may involve a Closure process and thats just what may well happen at Ferry Road. (Closure)
Or it maybe to make both Stations into ONE may involve massive expense on making a walking route from Ferry road platforms to Victoria road without having to cross a Public Highway, are there any locations that when changing trains to cointinue your Journey that invovle walking across a Public Highway and the other Platforms have the SAME title?
Take Waterloo & Waterloo East, at one time you had to cross a Public Highway!
Liskeard between main platfrom and Branch platform (3) doesn't count it's a railway OWNED road so NOT a public highway.

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[Louis94]

At Liskeard, you have to cross a road to get from the main line to the Looe branch platform.

Liskeard between main platfrom and Branch platform (3) doesn't count it's a railway OWNED road so NOT a public highway.

 

[slippy]

Perranwell to get past the gateline and the most execellant gateline staff. I love Truro gateline staff they are fab.

How is it the gateline staffs fault? They have a valid ticket from that station, so surely the gateline staff would not be involve at all, because the gate would open automatically! If a conductor is checking tickets and allowing a student to do that rather than telling them to get off at Penryn, they are just as much at fault as the gateline staff!

Where exactly did I say it was any fault of the gateline?? I said they are excellant, which indeed they are....