No fare available for a train service

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[Btline]

When searching for WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) to PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains) on Sundays, there is a 1436 journey that has no fare valid on it! (using East Coast)

How is this? Does it mean it's free?

[bobm]

It involves changing at Bristol Parkway. Is that a permitted route?

I assume it is included as it will get you to London earlier than waiting for the next train (14:53) but you can't get a through ticket.  The FGW^▸ (First Great Western) app doesn't show it.

[slippy]

off on a tangent, but where on FGW^▸ (First Great Western) can you board a train, get off the same train a few stops later and there is no valid ticket for the journey???

[grahame]

St Budeaux Victoria Road to St Budeaux Ferry Road.  Or vice versa.

[slippy]

St Budeaux Victoria Road to St Budeaux Ferry Road.  Or vice versa.

Yes, or in fact any Cornish station to/from Victoria Road....

[Brucey]

I've checked the routeing guide and there is no valid route allowing travel via. Bristol for Worcester to London.

[LiskeardRich]

St Budeaux Victoria Road to St Budeaux Ferry Road.  Or vice versa.

can you do that without changing trains though? The question asked staying on the same train, would you not need to change at plymouth?

[grahame]

St Budeaux Victoria Road to St Budeaux Ferry Road.  Or vice versa.

can you do that without changing trains though? The question asked staying on the same train, would you not need to change at plymouth?

There are through trains between Gunnislake and Liskeard which reverse at Plymouth   

[Louis94]

can you do that without changing trains though? The question asked staying on the same train, would you not need to change at plymouth?

One train in each direction in the evening peak, a Gunnislake - Liskeard and Liskeard - Gunnislake service I believe!

[Btline]

So what would the guard sell you? Two single split tickets? Tut tut... guards encouraging splitting!

[grahame]

So what would the guard sell you? Two single split tickets? Tut tut... guards encouraging splitting!

There's a St Budeaux (Any) to Plymouth return fare - 2.00 offpeak, 2.60 peak, which I would hope (s)he would sell you. To sell two single tickets would result in you being charged a higher fare than necessary for your journey.

Of course, if you spoke to the Conductor before boarding the train (I'm guessing there aren't TVMs^▸ (Ticket Vending Machine) at these stations, nor PERTIS^▸ (Permit to travel)), you may be better advised to "go out of the station and cross the road" 

[grahame]

P.S. If you got on the 18:12 from Ferry Road to Victoria Road, you should probably be sold a return to Keyham - 1.30 - which is valid for the doubling back via Plymouth.  That would be a very good (and very unfair) test ticket purchase request for the organisations that go round checking if the rail companies are offering the lowest fares as they should be doing.

[Mookiemoo]

via newport should give you a valid through ticket - or it used to!

caveat - haven't bought it for nearly two years

[slippy]

P.S. If you got on the 18:12 from Ferry Road to Victoria Road, you should probably be sold a return to Keyham - 1.30 - which is valid for the doubling back via Plymouth.  That would be a very good (and very unfair) test ticket purchase request for the organisations that go round checking if the rail companies are offering the lowest fares as they should be doing.

Hell, you'd be sold a return to Keyham and made to get off there to catch the service coming back again!! Its like all these students who get on at Truro with a single to Perranwell on a train that doesnt stop there then state they'll stay on until Falmouth and get off at Perranwell on the way back. Funnily enough they go missing at Falmouth having paid to Perranwell to get past the gateline and the most execellant gateline staff. I love Truro gateline staff they are fab.

[grahame]

P.S. If you got on the 18:12 from Ferry Road to Victoria Road, you should probably be sold a return to Keyham ...

Hell, you'd be sold a return to Keyham and made to get off there to catch the service coming back again!!

I doubt it. The 18:12 is nonstop from Ferry Road to Plymouth.

If you use FGW^▸ (First Great Western)'s own site and ask for a single from Ferry Road to Keyham at 18:00, you're offered the 18:12 train - a direct service arriving at Keyham at 18:29.   And I would have thought that was valid according to the rules - it'll be "any permitted" and direct services (without changes, same advertised train) are always a permitted route, as I understand it. And a return ticket for this purpose is two singles.