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Quite a lot of very interesting "priced options" in the ITT▸ , including:-
Half hourly Portishead line services (once built)
8 tpd to Okehampton
8 tpd to Tavistock (once built)
1 train every 2 hours Exeter to Honiton
hourly service Weymouth-Westbury
St Ives branch extends to Penzance hourly
1/2 hourly Exmouth service Sundays
Later services on Looe branch
It will be very interesting to see how many of these come to fruition. I suspect DfT» is trying to get clarity on the likely costs of a lot of the potential enhancements that have been kicking around for some time, and so it's an easy thing to do as part of the ITT, as the bidders bear the cost and might be encouraged to keep costs down (whereas midway through a franchise there is no incentive to provide a competitive quote). So I wouldn't necessarily expect the franchise winner announcement to include confirmation that these enhancements will go ahead, as they will still need funding from one source or other, but there will be a guaranteed and sensible cost once funding is found.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2012, 22:25:30 » |
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When I went to download the service requirements I got "file damage could not be repaired"
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2012, 22:48:56 » |
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The most worrying part of this press release id the paragraph that starts: ^For the first time on the Great Western franchise, we will be introducing requirements on passenger satisfaction for the train operator to meet I work in what may be termed the "public sector", and know that the entire energy of the successful bidder will be aimed at ticking the box here, rather than satisfying passengers. I admire Justine Greening's spirit, if not her politics, and the same is true of Theresa Villiers, but the way government works, it is unlikely that either of them will be around the transport arena when this all goes live. I am pleased to see the option to reopen Portishead. I would love to know what "priced option" really means in terms of reality. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2012, 13:56:54 » |
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apologies for the double post.
St Ives services extended to penzance, will this mean a reduction of frequency on the branch, or extra rolling stock?
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John R
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2012, 16:08:38 » |
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2012, 16:38:42 » |
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extra rolling stock
Which should become available once the Thames Valley is wired and some class 165's get displaced down to Bristol. That could release a few class 150's hopefully |
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2012, 17:23:41 » |
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so one unit will spend half an hour every hour sat around at St Erth? The through to penzance is specified as only 1tph.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2012, 18:44:32 » |
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so one unit will spend half an hour every hour sat around at St Erth? The through to penzance is specified as only 1tph.
The priced options are for the extension of the 28 trains per day to Penzance on Mondays to Saturdays either Summer only or all year. It doesn't say anything about only running half of these to Penzance. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2012, 19:13:28 » |
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so one unit will spend half an hour every hour sat around at St Erth? The through to penzance is specified as only 1tph.
The priced options are for the extension of the 28 trains per day to Penzance on Mondays to Saturdays either Summer only or all year. It doesn't say anything about only running half of these to Penzance. It does state 1tph extended to penzance, There almost certainly isnt capacity between st erth and penzance to have 28 tpd plus mainline services |
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2012, 19:19:28 » |
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It does state 1tph extended to penzance, There almost certainly isnt capacity between st erth and penzance to have 28 tpd plus mainline services
I've had a look through both the Invitation To Tender and the Train Service Reruirement documents and can't find anywhere saying only one train per hour in either and the main document refers to extending all 28 trains. It also wouldn't be impossible to path the additional services (off peak there is only 1 tph from Penzance to Plymouth), running time St Erth to Penzance is only ten minutes. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2012, 22:09:06 » |
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I note that Bristol Temple Meads and Reading are to be managed by Network Rail from 2014. Hopefully this won't be like the slightly farcical 'management' of Birmingham New Street, where you have Network Rail doing despatch, Virgin selling tickets, London Midland manning the gateline and doing revenue protection and CrossCountry doing Customer Service.
OK, there are fewer TOCs▸ involved at Bristol TM‡ and Reading, but I wonder what the division of duties will be between lead TOC and NR» ?
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2012, 23:04:39 » |
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It does state 1tph extended to penzance, There almost certainly isnt capacity between st erth and penzance to have 28 tpd plus mainline services
I've had a look through both the Invitation To Tender and the Train Service Reruirement documents and can't find anywhere saying only one train per hour in either and the main document refers to extending all 28 trains. It also wouldn't be impossible to path the additional services (off peak there is only 1 tph from Penzance to Plymouth), running time St Erth to Penzance is only ten minutes. In the summer this would mean an additional 4 vehicles would be required, which would seem very wasteful. What is driving this requirement? Is it a presumption/aspiration that the new St Erth Park and Ride will result in a significant increase in journeys to Penzance? |
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2012, 23:42:58 » |
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A very good idea, so encourge local travel between St Ives and Penzance to reduce buses/traffic. It will also allow St Erth stops to be axed from HSS▸ without impacting on connections from the East!  |
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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2012, 23:48:48 » |
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...and thereby extend journey times to St Ives from the east by getting on for half an hour.
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