Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)

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[TonyK]

As to the cost: How much does some 4x2 and a couple of pallets of chinese slates cost?

^800 for the slates (2 pallets would cover about 50 sq metres). ^400 for the timber. Labour about ^3000. That makes a total of - let me see... it's a railway job, yes? - ^3.1 million.

[ellendune]

As to the cost: How much does some 4x2 and a couple of pallets of chinese slates cost?

^800 for the slates (2 pallets would cover about 50 sq metres). ^400 for the timber. Labour about ^3000.

Need to price for scaffolding and making good the existing roof where they join. 

[Western Pathfinder]

Not to mention the replacement lead work .

[TonyK]

Plus VAT^▸ (Value Added Tax)...

[Red Squirrel]

...and optimism bias...

[Red Squirrel]

Found this YouTube vid showing how the new bridge (connecting Cattle Market Rd to Arena Island The George Ferguson Memorial to Futility and Ambition Thwarted by Petty Politics) was constructed. Enjoy.

[TonyK]

Found this YouTube vid showing how the new bridge (connecting Cattle Market Rd to Arena Island The George Ferguson Memorial to Futility and Ambition Thwarted by Petty Politics) was constructed. Enjoy.

My money remains on the end result being a profitable piece of infrastructure that will make Bristol even more of a destination than it is now. It should help bring forward the creation of an entrance to Temple Meads from Cattle Market Road.

If it isn't approved at the April planning meeting, we can assume that malign political forces are at play in advance of the elections in May. We can then vote out the obstructive elements.

[Bmblbzzz]

Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes. 

[Red Squirrel]

Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes. 

Well it's not hard to be overambitious in Bristol.

[TonyK]

Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes. 

Tricky to work out who would stand to profit. All of the parties on the planning committee who delayed it (Labour, Conservative, LibDem and Green) have expressed a wish to see the Arenal built. They can;'t all take the credit. If that is the plan, it could backfire badly.

[Stroud Valleys]

Couple of queries about the redevelopment

1 - are there any plans to built 2 additional platforms in the main part of the station, i.e. in between platforms 2/3 and 5/6, provided that both platforms 2/3 and 5/6 are reconfigured to fit a new platform island in the middle

2 - what are the plans for the ticket office and entrance to underneath the platforms

3 - when the shed has its 2 platforms reinstated, how is the far side platform going to be reached - subway/footbridge

4 - when is temple meads being resignalled?

5 - presumably when temple meads is resignalled, we will see a number of new signal posts, new track layouts and replacement of lots of track?

[Noggin]

Or the obstructive elements can present it as a failure of the overambitious mayor's pet project and garner the votes. 

Tricky to work out who would stand to profit. All of the parties on the planning committee who delayed it (Labour, Conservative, LibDem and Green) have expressed a wish to see the Arenal built. They can;'t all take the credit. If that is the plan, it could backfire badly.

It's hard to know. There was a suggestion that not only did the transport plan lack substance, but there was also a lack of planning about how crowds would disperse etc. Now sure, in Ashton Gate might manage to absorb and disperse a similar number of people without too much trouble, but with a new build, you have to prove that an event at the arena wouldn't block up a major artery into/out of the city that's heavily used by emergency services, with pedestrians, drop off/pickup or just regular traffic.

Basically whilst it's not built, it's waste ground and a concept, if its built and is a nightmare then there very serious consequence for all involved.

[Noggin]

Couple of queries about the redevelopment

1 - are there any plans to built 2 additional platforms in the main part of the station, i.e. in between platforms 2/3 and 5/6, provided that both platforms 2/3 and 5/6 are reconfigured to fit a new platform island in the middle

2 - what are the plans for the ticket office and entrance to underneath the platforms

3 - when the shed has its 2 platforms reinstated, how is the far side platform going to be reached - subway/footbridge

4 - when is temple meads being resignalled?

5 - presumably when temple meads is resignalled, we will see a number of new signal posts, new track layouts and replacement of lots of track?

Unless I've missed it, there is no grand plan for redevelopment at this time. The council have a planning framework out for consultation, the old Royal Mail building is being demolished, the council want a public walkway under the station, a new southern entrance into the station for the arena and a few other things. I suspect that Network Rail aren't sitting back and waiting for the council to go through the motions, no skin off their noses if it gets pushed back into CP6^▸ (Control Period 6 - The five year period between 2019 and 2024) as most resignalling and electrification work can be done without upgrading the passenger facilities.

The only thing we know is that resignalling, quadrupling of the Filton Bank and remodelling the eastern part of the station approaches is ongoing. Resignalling has been rescoped to leave out everything south of Bristol TM^‡(resolve) in this phase in order to permit electrification. This probably means that the signalbox will not go until Bristol South has been done, so the planned reinstatement of platforms in the old shed for the IEPs^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) will not happen for a while. So that means IEPs (and electrification) in the main shed.

Whether that means building works in the main shed remains to be seen, Bath is having platforms extended longways and also outwards in order to fit the IEPs and provide clearance for overhead wiring, so conceivably there might need to be similar work in TM.

Note also that whilst the original plan was to electrify Filton Bank first and introduce some new express electric services, leaving Swindon to Bristol TM via Bath until last, it's now the other way round. I'd imagine that the new services can't start until quadrupling is complete.

[Oberon]

I thought wiring Wootton Basset-Bath-Bristol had been put back to CP6^▸ (Control Period 6 - The five year period between 2019 and 2024). Are you saying Filton bank wiring has been similarly designated?

[ellendune]

I thought wiring Wootton Basset-Bath-Bristol had been put back to CP6^▸ (Control Period 6 - The five year period between 2019 and 2024). Are you saying Filton bank wiring has been similarly designated?

No Filton bank is how Electric Trains will first reach Temple Meads