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« on: February 02, 2012, 11:12:17 » |
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EDIT - 10 years on ((here)) at the end of this thread I have posted an update -- grahame
It's not been a problem for me but I found this while looking at what age do children start paying Up to two children under five years of age may accompany each fare-paying passenger free of charge. However, children under five years of age who are travelling free may only occupy a seat which is not required by a fare-paying passenger. I've seen kid a few children <5 sat in seats in the rush our (tends to happen more at school holidays) But who'd have the guts to kick a kid out of his/her seat? 
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 12:09:38 » |
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But who'd have the guts to kick a kid out of his/her seat? It depends on how you do it, John ... On the TransWilts line last summer, we had more passengers than seats, and they included a huge quantity of young travellers and quite a lot of people at the other end of life's spectrum too. There were a couple of occasions where someone who clearly shouldn't be left standing was having trouble finding a seat, and a quick "would your children mind sharing" was all that it took. Happy atmosphere - and a great day had by all. If people could see why, were asked nicely, and if the request was made by someone who wasn't looking to use the seat personally, it wasn't a problem. But of course that's the friendly regional line across Wiltshire. I note you've posted on London to Reading - perhaps that would be different? |
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 12:41:53 » |
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It's not been a problem for me but I found this while looking at what age do children start paying Up to two children under five years of age may accompany each fare-paying passenger free of charge. However, children under five years of age who are travelling free may only occupy a seat which is not required by a fare-paying passenger. I've seen kid a few children <5 sat in seats in the rush our (tends to happen more at school holidays) But who'd have the guts to kick a kid out of his/her seat? Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage? |
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 17:45:01 » |
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Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage?
I looked for this in NRCoC▸ and couldn't find it a few months back, at the time I did find a page on NRE‡'s website that said you could be charged (Adult ticket) if you put luggage on the seat ( TM‡/Guards choice). Researching it now, I cannot find this item on NRE's website?! |
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 18:56:44 » |
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Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage?
I looked for this in NRCoC▸ and couldn't find it a few months back, at the time I did find a page on NRE‡'s website that said you could be charged (Adult ticket) if you put luggage on the seat ( TM‡/Guards choice). Researching it now, I cannot find this item on NRE's website?! I've seen this rule somewhere else as well, |
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 22:34:01 » |
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It's not been a problem for me but I found this while looking at what age do children start paying Up to two children under five years of age may accompany each fare-paying passenger free of charge. However, children under five years of age who are travelling free may only occupy a seat which is not required by a fare-paying passenger. I've seen kid a few children <5 sat in seats in the rush our (tends to happen more at school holidays) But who'd have the guts to kick a kid out of his/her seat? Does the free ticket for an under five count if the Adult has a First-Class ticket? |
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 22:39:16 » |
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Does the free ticket for an under five count if the Adult has a First-Class ticket?
Yes |
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 10:31:33 » |
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Those who are travelling with small children should be aware that if you have a Family and Friends railcard you can purchase a child's fare for an under 5 voluntarily in order to get a discount on the accompanying adult's fare.
I have puchased a ticket for my 4 year old to take advantage of this. It works out slightly cheaper overall and means that you end up with tickets for two seats rather than one. Especially useful when travelling with my 4 and 2 year old as it means you can legitimately get 3 people onto a double seat which is much more do-able than getting two children on your lap on a single seat.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 17:59:39 » |
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On Saturdays and School Holidays, I regularly see little children occupying seats throughout the carriage on the Cardiff Valleys. The pensioners are left standing together with the other adults.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 14:44:44 » |
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Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage?
I looked for this in NRCoC▸ and couldn't find it a few months back, at the time I did find a page on NRE‡'s website that said you could be charged (Adult ticket) if you put luggage on the seat ( TM‡/Guards choice). Researching it now, I cannot find this item on NRE's website?! I've seen this rule somewhere else as well, It's on page 22 of the NRCoC: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf |
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 15:15:47 » |
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Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage?
I looked for this in NRCoC▸ and couldn't find it a few months back, at the time I did find a page on NRE‡'s website that said you could be charged (Adult ticket) if you put luggage on the seat ( TM‡/Guards choice). Researching it now, I cannot find this item on NRE's website?! I've seen this rule somewhere else as well, It's on page 22 of the NRCoC: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdfAnything on charging for putting a bag on a seat? (I can't see anything - perhaps I am blind) |
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 15:33:50 » |
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Article 46, page 17, You must not place luggage or other articles on seats
required for passengers
So no question about charging for it. It shouldn't happen. I seem to recall one poster getting into an argument with the train manager who refused to get a passenger of a certain age to remove their bags. Maybe they should show the TM‡ a copy of the NCoC if it happens again.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 16:08:35 » |
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Article 46, page 17, You must not place luggage or other articles on seats
required for passengers
So no question about charging for it. It shouldn't happen. I seem to recall one poster getting into an argument with the train manager who refused to get a passenger of a certain age to remove their bags. Maybe they should show the TM‡ a copy of the NCoC if it happens again.
I know I had an arguments on snails wales with a guard who wouldnt get a passenger of a certain age to move all her shopping off the table so other people could use it! |
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 16:10:08 » |
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Railway Byelaw 6 (Unacceptable behaviour) should cover it. 6 (8.) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.
Penalty for such a breach of the byelaws is a fine not exceeding ^1000. Persons can also be removed from the railways for byelaw offences. http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/railway-byelaws/railway-byelaws.pdf |
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 22:20:53 » |
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Out of curiosity does it say anything about travellers paying for one seat and then filling another 3 with luggage?
I looked for this in NRCoC▸ and couldn't find it a few months back, at the time I did find a page on NRE‡'s website that said you could be charged (Adult ticket) if you put luggage on the seat ( TM‡/Guards choice). Researching it now, I cannot find this item on NRE's website?! I've seen this rule somewhere else as well, It's on page 22 of the NRCoC: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdfAnything on charging for putting a bag on a seat? (I can't see anything - perhaps I am blind) I always amazed at the number of people who put bags on the seat during the height of rush hour, either ignorant or stupid to think that no-one wants the seat and then they looked annoyed that you've asked them to free up the seat. I always pick the seat with a bag on it, never an empty seat - just too annoy the pax |
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