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« Reply #976 on: May 16, 2017, 01:25:47 » |
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« Reply #977 on: June 17, 2017, 16:47:29 » |
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Is there any news on whether the IEP▸ 's will enter service muzzled or unmuzzled?
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« Reply #978 on: June 17, 2017, 17:38:37 » |
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They're still in discussions with the DfT» ....but hopefully not for much longer.
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« Reply #979 on: June 17, 2017, 18:40:29 » |
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Hopefully no issues with swing links on the 800s. Would not thought the running gear would be an issue on an 800 they are basically a 395, its just the body length is longer |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #981 on: July 17, 2017, 12:01:10 » |
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More from the rumour/gossip mill about the new trains. Travelling over the weekend I talked to a member of FGW▸ staff who had an interesting suggestion about the 1st class seats. They said that the reason that the existing seats from 1st were not being used on the class 8xx was down to their size and weight. Comfortable and luxurious they may be but light and small they're not and this killed any chance of getting them on the new trains. The Fainsa ones are much lighter in comparison. Apparently there is/was a serious desire to save weight on the new Hitachis although they didn't know if this was related to muzzled engines.
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« Reply #982 on: July 18, 2017, 16:15:28 » |
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Saving weight is a good aim to have. New aircraft seats are thinner, lighter, but no less comfortable than the old ones. I hope the train designers have learned from this.
Less is more these days. I changed over to LED lights, with a 90%+ saving in the cost of lighting my home. Not so many years ago, no-one would have thought of doing that. Nor even of insulating homes - energy was abundant and cheap. Not any more, and even on a fantastically heavy user such as a railway, the savings will add up over time.
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« Reply #983 on: July 18, 2017, 16:58:57 » |
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Saving weight is indeed good, the energy saving per mile is minute, but over the life of a train is substantial.
I hope however that comfort has not been sacrificed, previous new trains, and new seats retrofitted to older trains suggest that comfort probably has been sacrificed in the interests of "smaller, thinner and lighter"
Padding is now VERY last year, and springing very last century.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #984 on: July 18, 2017, 19:12:52 » |
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I've said it many times before.
I find GWR▸ 's current HST▸ Standard Class seats far more comfortable than the BR▸ IC70s they replaced. Smaller, thinner, lighter, better.
Lumbar support and a more upright position is proven to be better for the lower back. Soft and springy may appear to equal comfort but science has proved otherwise.
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
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« Reply #985 on: July 18, 2017, 22:48:27 » |
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Saving weight is a good aim to have. New aircraft seats are thinner, lighter, but no less comfortable than the old ones. I hope the train designers have learned from this.
Less is more these days. I changed over to LED lights, with a 90%+ saving in the cost of lighting my home. Not so many years ago, no-one would have thought of doing that. Nor even of insulating homes - energy was abundant and cheap. Not any more, and even on a fantastically heavy user such as a railway, the savings will add up over time.
Whilst I agree that saving weight and therefore energy and CO2 is an admirable goal I agree with broadgage that it shouldn't come at the expense of comfort. 1st class is expensive enough for the current very comfortable leather seats, I'm not looking forward to the new ones. |
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« Reply #986 on: July 19, 2017, 10:55:48 » |
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1st class is expensive enough for the current very comfortable leather seats, I'm not looking forward to the new ones.
1st class expensive? I didn't know that. I do Bristol to Exeter for under six quid with my Old Git card. Cheaper than standard! |
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« Reply #987 on: July 19, 2017, 12:29:16 » |
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There are certainly some bargains to be had, but in general first class is expensive, and if compared to steerage is getting more expensive.
Traditionally first class was about one and a half times to price of steerage, it tends to be about double these days.
I would not be too pleased if after paying £170 single from Paddington to Taunton the seat was not comfortable.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #988 on: July 19, 2017, 12:34:56 » |
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I must admit to never having heard the term 'steerage' used for rail fares, only as an old shipping phrase. Was it ever used as an official ticket class by any of the operators?
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To view my GWML▸ Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/ |
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« Reply #989 on: July 19, 2017, 13:31:29 » |
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I thought it was Cattle Class for rail passengers.
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