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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 10:41:48 » |
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Now, what about Oxford? What's new that we haven't talked about? Having made a raid on Virgin's customers, they're now going after FGWs▸ . I'm all for competition, but as for improvements? Nahh, the regular route will lose even more services to make way for the Oxford flyers.
Except that as we've already discussed, the Oxford trains are not additional to the current timetable, they are almost all redirections of existing services such as Bicester terminators. Paul |
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 10:44:47 » |
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Where is the back-up for that ascertion?
THe briefing I had from Chiltern involves a major TT change in December when the Oxford trains are being introduced (yes, terminating to start with at BCS, then Bicester Town & finally Oxford), but they don't exist yet.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 11:01:29 » |
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Well last time we discussed it here I linked to a whole set of EG3 timetables on the NR» or ORR» websites - and it was immediately apparent when the timetables were compared side by side. One can only quote what is curerntly in the public domain - if it is going to change again, so be it... Significant changes to the quantum of peak train services are not proposed, with the exception of a 2 trains per hour Oxford service on completion of the BIOX works, which in most instances will comprise extensions of existing services. http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/s22-chiltern-73sa-application-form.pdfPaul |
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 11:07:42 » |
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The briefing I had from Chiltern involves a major TT change in December when the Oxford trains are being introduced (yes, terminating to start with at BCS, then Bicester Town & finally Oxford), but they don't exist yet.
Just to clarify, Chris. We're talking about a major TT change this coming December? Then a staged introduction of the Evergreen 3 route with the chord to Bicester Town being finished first so that a service from Marylebone to Bicester Town will initially operate, with the final stage being the completion of the Oxford to Bicester Town upgrade allowing the full EG3 timetable? If so, do you have any idea of the timetable for these stages? |
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 11:27:05 » |
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Seeing as the service is to stop at HW, I'd hardly call it a "Flyer". They'll probably stop HW, PR▸ , H Thame P, Bicester T and Water E. (plus the odd Islip stop to keep them happy)
There services were to be extensions of exiting Bicester North terminators - although the original plans have changed quite a bit.
I'm surprised the cord will be the first bit to open. Surely it's the main part of the work, bar the new platforms! Even with just one platform, I'm sure you could run a train every hour or so. Will the junction be flat, or will it be a dive under/flyover?
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2012, 12:14:27 » |
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Will the junction be flat, or will it be a dive under/flyover?
Flat junctions at both ends of the chord. The number of trains would never justify a diveunder IMHO▸ . Paul |
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 12:18:19 » |
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Seeing as the service is to stop at HW, I'd hardly call it a "Flyer". They'll probably stop HW, PR▸ , H Thame P, Bicester T and Water E. (plus the odd Islip stop to keep them happy) 66 minutes journey time won't allow for all those stops. H&TP is probably being missed. Just to clarify, Chris. We're talking about a major TT change this coming December? Then a staged introduction of the Evergreen 3 route with the chord to Bicester Town being finished first so that a service from Marylebone to Bicester Town will initially operate, with the final stage being the completion of the Oxford to Bicester Town upgrade allowing the full EG3 timetable? As I understand our briefing, yes. If so, do you have any idea of the timetable for these stages? Not yet, this is still being worked on as the TWA hasn't been signed off yet. May 2014 will be the earliest opening date of the whole route though. Chiltern will be holding a public consultation on their DEc12 TT at a later date too |
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 12:56:58 » |
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Thanks for that information, Chris. Seeing as the service is to stop at HW, I'd hardly call it a "Flyer". They'll probably stop HW, PR▸ , H Thame P, Bicester T and Water E. (plus the odd Islip stop to keep them happy) 66 minutes journey time won't allow for all those stops. H&TP is probably being missed. According to the original timetable proposal it was Princes Risborough being omitted from that list, not Haddenham & Thame Parkway. Which I thought was a bit of a shame as Risborough would be a useful stop for Aylesbury connections, though it would have caused pathing problems at Risborough, and not have been a very good connection, as things stood in that proposal. Also, of course, when East-West Rail is up and running, you could always get to Aylesbury from Oxford by changing at Winslow! |
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 13:03:34 » |
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Oh, it may well still be....PRR▸ omitted, that is.
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 15:25:54 » |
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Anyone in the Bicester area, I've just been reminded that the AGM▸ for the local User Group OBRAG (Oxford/Bicester Rail Action Group) is tomorrow evening (12th) at 1825. Details here: http://www.obrag.org.uk/363/obrag-agm-2012/Meeting is at the local Methodist Church Rooms in Bicester. Speaker is Richard Harper from Chiltern on their Oxford / Bicester service.... |
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 16:28:49 » |
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Which is why they're looking to alter the Dec12 TT to release stock....
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2012, 16:44:25 » |
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I assume more Silver trains will run, perhaps all day and not just the peaks?
Hopefully once the sliding doors are fitted, they'll reinstate the 6.30 off Kidderminster using a silver train. This service, axed last year, was popular with commuters. This cuts, which angered locals and caused sardine conditions on the 6.36 (LM▸ ), remains the only mark in Chiltern's impeccable record in the West Midlands.
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2012, 16:51:08 » |
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2012, 17:02:45 » |
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I assume more Silver trains will run, perhaps all day and not just the peaks? They've got two more on the way which are being fitted now....then they'll swap with the two in service and once those return, the hybrid set will go back into storage - so a net addition of one set to four. Impeccable - A last train on Saturday at 2215 and Sunday at 2115 is hardly impeccable. Good perhaps, but not impeccable. |
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