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Question: Which of the following would you agree with (batch 1)  (Voting closed: July 10, 2023, 13:35:29)
Ticket offices reform IS overdue, but fare systems and alternatives for all should be deal considered first - 22 (20.2%)
Reduction or removal of help, including ticket sales, at a fixed point at a station is a barrier to the timid traveller - 25 (22.9%)
By using ticket machines, customers may end up paying more than they need - 24 (22%)
All staff (not just the former ticket clerks) will need to know all about the fares system - 22 (20.2%)
Although most current users will be able to cope, new users will be put off trying the train - 16 (14.7%)
I agree with none of the above - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 35

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« Reply #270 on: October 31, 2023, 22:15:07 »

''Ticket Offices will still close but instead of in a big bang it will be by stealth; over the next few years TOCs (Train Operating Company)▸ will apply to reduce hours and or close ticket offices.  It could be based on reduced revenue over the counter or due to the lack of staff, I wonder how keen they will be to recruit new staff as existing staff retire or leave.''

 Totally agree,  anyone using Totnes, for example will probably think this has started already !

Many others as well. It was starting as the consultation began and has continued apace, and I suspect this won't slow the momentum. But we should continue the pressure to fight this erosion. A bit of MP (Member of Parliament) lobbying wherever a ticket office isn't keeping to its publicised hours would be a good start.
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« Reply #271 on: October 31, 2023, 22:48:16 »

I strongly suspect the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) and the government have agreed some kind of deal to keep the ticket offices open.
The RMT have recently had a successful re-ballot to continue industrial action but haven’t announced any dates.
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« Reply #272 on: November 01, 2023, 06:09:36 »

The BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) has updated the story - at the same page (yuk!) (here) with added comment. Rather than breaking news, it's now a much more rounded story.    I am quoting here much more fully than I normally might, since it covers so many aspects and (now) views of so many people and groups.

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Plans to close rail ticket offices in England scrapped

Plans to close hundreds of rail ticket offices in England have been scrapped.

Transport Secretary Mark Harper said the government had asked train operators to withdraw their proposals because they failed to meet high passenger standards.

However, a source told the BBC rail bosses were "furious", saying the original plans had been approved by the Department for Transport.

The proposals had sparked concerns from unions and disability groups.

Train companies are under pressure from the government to cut costs. They had argued staff would be better used helping passengers in person, in other areas of the station adding that only 12% of tickets were now bought at station kiosks.

But passenger watchdogs Transport Focus and London Travelwatch objected to the proposals, saying they had received 750,000 responses from individuals and organisations in a public consultation.

These included "powerful and passionate concerns" about the potential changes, they said.

The watchdogs said they had secured significant changes, including getting companies to revert to existing times for when staff would be available at many stations.

However, serious concerns remained, including ticket machine capability, accessibility and how passenger assistance and information would be delivered in the future.

In September, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said closing ticket offices was "the right thing for the British public and British taxpayers" as "only one in 10 tickets are sold currently in ticket offices".

But MPs (Member of Parliament) had warned in a letter last week that the plans went "too far, too fast".

Announcing the decision to reverse the closures, Mr Harper said the government had made it "clear to the rail industry throughout the process that any resulting proposals must meet a high threshold of serving passengers".

"The proposals that have resulted from this process do not meet the high thresholds set by ministers, and so the government has asked train operators to withdraw their proposals."

However, the decision to backtrack on the plans has caused anger among train bosses, a senior rail source told the BBC.

"They have been made to sell these plans, defend them and change them to try and get them over the line. All in the face of the inevitable onslaught of criticism.

"All of these plans were approved by officials and ministers at the DfT» (Department for Transport - about). To say they fell short of their expectations is totally disingenuous," the source said.

Labour's shadow transport secretary Louise Haigh called it "shambolic" and a "humiliating climbdown", saying the cancelled plans had been "a colossal waste of taxpayers' money".

The RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) union described Tuesday's decision as a victory, while TSSA» (Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - about) - the union representing rail ticket office workers - said it was delighted.

Both groups warned that over 2000 jobs would have been at risk if the planned changes went ahead.

The body representing train companies, the Rail Delivery Group (RDG(resolve)), told the BBC no redundancy notices had been served to staff.

The RDG did however send a letter to rail unions, opening discussions on retraining staff, moving workers to other roles and "the potential for a voluntary severance scheme".

The planned closures were the latest flashpoint between train companies and unions in their long-running dispute over pay, jobs and working conditions.

It led to several protests and threats of legal challenges from disability campaigners and from five Labour metro mayors.
But the RDG, consistently defended the proposals.

Natasha Winter, who led a campaign to keep her local ticket office in Stourbridge open, said she was "thrilled" the government had listened.

She said ticket office workers provide an" invaluable service" and that people "trust and rely on them". "They're at the heart of our community," she said.

The RDG said the closure plans that had been put forward were about the "changing needs of customers in the smartphone era" and the "significant financial challenge" following the pandemic. It said it would continue to look at other ways to "improve passenger experience while delivering value for the taxpayer".

Disability campaigners called the result "bittersweet".

Transport for All, a disabled-led organisation, called it "the best possible outcome", but added that while the government was "eventually swayed, it is appalling that disabled people's concerns were dismissed for so long".

And so ... "what now" for ticketing and indeed passenger support and information as we look forward into the future?
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« Reply #273 on: November 01, 2023, 06:49:08 »

I can see all the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s asking if any of their booking office staff would like to leave the railway,

just have a look how "mature" your local train station staff are,and how long they have worked on the railway.
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« Reply #274 on: November 01, 2023, 07:05:01 »

Our local MP (Member of Parliament) Sent a round-robin advising the decision.
Interestingly he stated
"2,075 people took part in the official consultation in support of Penzance Ticket Office (this is 10% of the total objections to station specific GWR (Great Western Railway) ticket office closure plans).

This was the highest figure on the GWR network and nearly 900 more people than than the campaign to save Stroud ticket office which enjoyed the second highest show of support."

Hadn't realised there was league table.
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« Reply #275 on: November 02, 2023, 21:01:29 »

Our local MP (Member of Parliament) Sent a round-robin advising the decision.
Interestingly he stated
"2,075 people took part in the official consultation in support of Penzance Ticket Office (this is 10% of the total objections to station specific GWR (Great Western Railway) ticket office closure plans).

This was the highest figure on the GWR network and nearly 900 more people than than the campaign to save Stroud ticket office which enjoyed the second highest show of support."

Hadn't realised there was league table.

Someone would have wanted to check local results against lists of marginal constituencies.
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« Reply #276 on: November 02, 2023, 21:17:30 »

The overall number of complaints for GWR (Great Western Railway) stations wasn't that high at 58,000. Chiltern got half that figure foir a lot smaller catchment!

I'm also trying to locate the response to WMT/LNWR (London North Western Railway) - can anyone see where Transport Focus might have hidden them? They don't feature on the same page that GWR does, for example.
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« Reply #277 on: November 02, 2023, 22:05:47 »

I'm also trying to locate the response to WMT/LNWR (London North Western Railway) - can anyone see where Transport Focus might have hidden them? They don't feature on the same page that GWR (Great Western Railway) does, for example.

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Transport Focus has not published a response to West Midlands Trains’ ticket office proposals. West Midlands Trains notified Transport Focus of significant changes to its proposals in mid-October and extended the deadline for Transport Focus’s response to 28 November, but has now withdrawn their proposal to change ticket offices.
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« Reply #278 on: November 04, 2023, 06:02:50 »

From Wednesday - http://www.passenger.chat/lib/gje011123.wav - audio clip of my radio interview on the topic (thanks to BobM for the editing of the clips)
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« Reply #279 on: November 18, 2024, 11:54:25 »

Not in the GWR (Great Western Railway) region, but a suggestion that this could spread & lead to ticket office closures "by stealth"


https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/rail-company-cuts-ticket-office-hours-just-a-year-after-national-closure-programme-was-abandoned/
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« Reply #280 on: November 19, 2024, 03:41:09 »

Not in the GWR (Great Western Railway) region, but a suggestion that this could spread & lead to ticket office closures "by stealth"


https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/rail-company-cuts-ticket-office-hours-just-a-year-after-national-closure-programme-was-abandoned/

Closure of "more than 7 hours a day" considered as "minor"!

Well done to the disabled activists who have highlighted this.
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