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Author Topic: Deutsche Bahn to test anti-graffiti drones (BBC News 27/05/2013)  (Read 3558 times)
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« on: May 27, 2013, 14:59:33 »

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Germany's national railway company, Deutsche Bahn, plans to test small drones to try to reduce the amount of graffiti being sprayed on its property.

The idea is to use airborne infra-red cameras to collect evidence, which could then be used to prosecute vandals who deface property at night.

A company spokesman said drones would be tested at rail depots soon.

But it is not yet clear how Germany's strict anti-surveillance laws might affect their use.

Graffiti is reported to cost Deutsche Bahn about 7.6m euros (^6.5m; $10m) a year.

The BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin says using cameras to film people surreptitiously is a sensitive issue in Germany, where privacy is very highly valued.
Google privacy row

When Google sent its cameras through the country three years ago to build up its "Street View" of 20 cities, many people objected to their houses appearing online. Even Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said: "I will do all I can to prevent it".

Such was the opposition that Google was compelled to give people an opt-out. If householders indicated that they did not want their homes shown online, then the fronts of the buildings would be blurred. More than 200,000 householders said that they did want their homes blanked out on Street View.

A Deutsche Bahn spokesman told the BBC that its drones would be used in big depots where vandals enter at night and spray-paint carriages. The drones would have infra-red sensors sophisticated enough for people to be identified, providing key evidence for prosecutions.

But it seems the cameras would be tightly focused within Deutsche Bahn's own property - people or property outside the depots would not be filmed, so easing any privacy concerns, our correspondent says.

The drone issue is also sensitive in Germany because earlier this month the defence ministry halted an expensive project to develop Germany's own surveillance drone, called Euro Hawk.

The huge unmanned aircraft would be used abroad but would need to be able to fly in German airspace, if only to take off and land on their way to and from the land to be watched, our correspondent reports.

But it became clear that the air traffic authorities were not going to grant that permission. The reasoning was that Germany's military drones would be unable to avoid collisions with other, civilian aircraft.

Small drones on private land do not need permission from air traffic controllers - big drones do.

So Germany seems to be entering a legal grey area - it is not clear when the flight of a drone may become so extensive that the wider authorities need to intervene.
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2013, 18:16:37 »

At the risk of being shot down for this suggestion, I wonder if the drones could be adapted to fire paint balls at the graffiti vandals so they leave the site in the same 'tagged' condition they hope the trains will?
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2013, 18:27:33 »

There's an interesting precedent for such 'aerial identification of targets' ... but don't mention the War!  Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 18:47:27 »

I wonder if the North Somerset exec member for transport could be persuaded to donate one of his beloved helicopters to this project. At least it might stop him 'droning' on about wonderful BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) and BRT2 would be for North Somerset, instead of focussing his efforts into supporting and not denigrating  the Bristol Metro.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 19:17:45 »

As we've strayed somewhat off-topic already, here's my favourite example of identifying one's target in a rail depot ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giom5_byviI  Tongue
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William Huskisson MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: Stop, Look, Listen.

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 21:19:16 »

Snipers is perhaps going just a little too far.  Shocked
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