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« on: December 19, 2012, 22:41:46 » |
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Moderator note: This topic has been moved from a route specific board to 'The Wider Picture' as the overcrowding figures cover other operators, not just FGW▸ . Also merged with another topic on the same subject. bignosemacHere's a squash
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JayMac
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 23:07:02 » |
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That was the data from Autumn 2010 and has now be superceded with data published today from services operating in Autumn 2011. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20783986FGW▸ are still top of the list though. |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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gpn01
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 23:13:24 » |
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Whoops! Well spotted bignosemac. My fault for looking at the BBC» site, searching for the underlying data, coming across the Guardian link and not noticing it's for the previous year.
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inspector_blakey
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 23:23:44 » |
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What's the methodology for these surveys? Looking at the two SWT▸ services, for example, at what point in the journey is the load factor calculated? I can't believe that the Alton service mentioned has that load factor from the start of its journey. I *can* believe that it would represent the loading between Woking and Waterloo, but that's only about a 25-min journey at worst and not too much of a chore to stand (done it many times).
Likewise the 0732 Woking - Waterloo is a semi-fast service, only 47 minutes origin to terminus. No-one in their right mind would travel on it the entire distance from WOK to WAT as it's overtaken by many faster trains en route so there's no chance it's that heavily loaded leaving Woking. Between Surbiton and Waterloo I don't doubt it is full and standing, but that's only a 10 - 15 minute hop.
I'm deeply suspicious of the methodology used here, and the way it's reported...
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swrural
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 12:12:17 » |
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It would be good if they said where the count took place (obvious for a non-stopper e.g. Reading to Paddington, of course).
It always seems to me that you have these satellite towns, Reading, Luton, Watford, and so on, where Inspector Blakey's point is relevant. I suppose the same goes if Crossrail was extended to Reading one day. Is that why it wasn't?
What would you do if you travelled from Maidenhead to Tottenham Court Road in 2020 at 0730?
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