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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2012, 22:17:11 »

Wow!  Shocked

That was something of a storming first post, ECML (East Coast Main Line)Grin

A very warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum, anyway.  Wink

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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2012, 22:48:38 »

Thanks Smiley

FGW (First Great Western) HQ (Headquarters) should of course have been informed of this fiasco; can anyone confirm if this is indeed the case? I have contacts at several TOCs (Train Operating Company) but not FGW (unless you count guards, but then they don't get told everything!)
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2012, 21:31:37 »

(unless you count guards, but then they don't get told everything!)

That is very true! During the disruption of the derailment at Westbury some time ago, A guard who's train was on to Frome had no idea what was going on! However I was able to help him out and show him a picture of the said 150/1 that decided to misbehave! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2012, 15:37:10 »

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Forgive me for not making myself clear, however after reading the whole of this thread, would it not be slightly unethical for someone to exploit what is clearly a mistake, if someone was to buy the ticket without reading this forum then they would be none the wiser....and as you have now pointed out has every right to use a service paid for in good faith,as for deciding to buy after reading that the issue existed on here, well I guess it depends how ready people are to exploit others mistakes, it was not an instruction more of an 'I wouldn't '
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2012, 16:47:13 »

Just a thought on this intriguing thread. As KX to Finsbury Park is frimly in both ex NSE (Network South East) trerritory and London Farezones, aren't single tickets issued for use on the day only. If it's a farezone ticket don't you have to make the whole journey in 2 hours, that's the case with Oyster (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services)

Would it be legitimate for someone North of say Newcastle to say you can't make this journey in a day going via Inverness, therefore ticket not valid.

Who's going to be brave enogh to try it!

What it does show, once again, is that the current fare system is "Not Fit for Purpoose"
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2012, 16:56:25 »

The point that ecml is quite correctly making is that in this case the fare that was being advertised is valid due to it being advertised, this is a trading standards issue which would override the routing guide in this case
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« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2012, 20:17:26 »

relex109  - Penalty Fares and excess fares to Anytime tickets exist for customers who make mistakes. Some companies do seem to enjoy extracting revenue out of customers who make a mistake. If a TOC (Train Operating Company) makes a mistake and lets you take a 'scenic route' then if you want to think that is 'unethical' that's your choice, but I don't see anything wrong in forming a contract if the other party agrees to the contract. Up until the time the money is taken they can decline the sale. Once the money is taken, they could still cancel it and refund you, but if they let you collect the ticket then that is binding in my opinion, and it's clear that ATOC» (Association of Train Operating Companies See - here) don't disagree with that. Ethical or not? That is up to the individual to decide.

Just a thought on this intriguing thread. As KX to Finsbury Park is frimly in both ex NSE (Network South East) trerritory and London Farezones, aren't single tickets issued for use on the day only. If it's a farezone ticket don't you have to make the whole journey in 2 hours, that's the case with Oyster (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services)
I'm not aware of a "Farezone" nor a "Farezone ticket".
Would it be legitimate for someone North of say Newcastle to say you can't make this journey in a day going via Inverness, therefore ticket not valid.
If you did not have an itinerary and/or reservations it would not be valid on the basis that "but the website said..." it would only be valid if reservations and/or an itinerary were produced, which would over-rule the normal routeing restrictions.
Who's going to be brave enogh to try it!
People have already done things like Wigan-Oxenholme via London, Swindon to Three Bridges via Looe, etc.
What it does show, once again, is that the current fare system is "Not Fit for Purpoose"
Agreed, but we can't change the system. We could however change certain aspects of it, but my concern is that there would have to be guarantees in place to protect passengers. If you let the TOCs do anything they would severely restrict the routes we could take and bump up prices massively.
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« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2012, 21:24:41 »

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