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« on: May 01, 2009, 13:03:22 » |
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Just wondering as am leaving early today and I notice the 1551 is a HST▸ with no buffet :-(
I dont mind so long as there is some form of trolley where you can get paid for items (now there's nothing free) and I dont have to fight my way down half the train!
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 13:46:56 » |
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It is usually tucked away in the vestibule of carriage A, it is usually announced but have never heard an announcement for another trolley for first class carriages.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 13:49:35 » |
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It is usually tucked away in the vestibule of carriage A, it is usually announced but have never heard an announcement for another trolley for first class carriages.
So actually the opposite end of the train! |
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 14:39:46 » |
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All 2+7 have a trolley in first class up until 1900 mon - fri.
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Phil
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 15:51:47 » |
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It is usually tucked away in the vestibule of carriage A, it is usually announced but have never heard an announcement for another trolley for first class carriages.
So actually the opposite end of the train! Probably not wisest to make that assumption at the moment; HST▸ formations seem to be all over the place for the time being. It's nothing to see CBAEFGHD. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 16:31:19 » |
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"A" must be next to the powercar afaik.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 17:38:12 » |
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I think you're correct - the conductor's office blocks off one end of the vehicle and the external access doors to the bike storage area do not have secondary door locking (therefore this area of the coach can only be occupied by staff when on the move). If a TGS (Trailer Guard Standard - coach A-type vehicle) were to be marshalled in the middle of a rake it would therefore not be possible to maintain through access for passengers.
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Phil
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 18:12:27 » |
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If a TGS (Trailer Guard Standard - coach A-type vehicle) were to be marshalled in the middle of a rake it would therefore not be possible to maintain through access for passengers.
I'm sure you're right, that all makes sense to me, but I definitely saw a coach A in the middle of a HST▸ set last Tuesday morning at Chippenham on a southbound train (could have been going to Temple Meads or Taunton, I didn't take a great deal of notice). I remember looking through the window and wondering whether there was any way passengers could walk through to get to the buffet behind it. |
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« Last Edit: May 01, 2009, 18:29:12 by Phil »
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 18:18:35 » |
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It's definitely a possibility - I don't think there's anything in the rule book that would preclude an HST▸ operating in that formation. I'm 99% sure though that if it was, passengers would not be allowed to walk all the way through, so those who were stuck on the wrong side of the "coach A" vehicle would be going hungry! There may also need to be a qualified conductor in both ends of the train in case of emergency, although that I am less sure of - the passcom apparatus might be sufficient for summoning the conductor if anything was kicking off.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 22:02:26 » |
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Sorry to put out the fire people ..BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY 100% NO WAY... a TGS Vehicle can be run in the middle of the train, for safety reasons etc and the fact that the main RF Interface Control is in this coach
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All postings reflect my own personal views and opinions and are not intended to be, nor should be taken as official statements of first great western or first group policy
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 22:06:10 » |
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Sorry to put out the fire people ..BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY 100% NO WAY... a TGS Vehicle can be run in the middle of the train, for safety reasons etc and the fact that the main RF Interface Control is in this coach
Thanks for clearing that up, did think it would never happen. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009, 22:11:33 » |
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Thats ok DM .....Phil either needs to get to the opticians fast or he mistook a coach E in its new position
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2009, 22:13:27 » |
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Agreed: my understanding is that coach A must be at the front/rear of the set. However, all of the other carriages in between can apparently be in any order, so far as I can make out! I was on an HST▸ to London on Wednesday, where the vestibule door to coach D cheerfully proclaimed, 'Welcome to the quiet carriage' ??  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2009, 23:11:15 » |
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I wasn't taking much notice at Newbury on Thursday but would like to know what the odd formation I saw displayed on the destination board actually was - is there anyway that I find out  ie do messages like trains running short or in reverse, or in this case with coaches out of order that get displayed get saved anywhere. |
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