Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 06:35 03 Apr 2025
 
- Heathrow warned by airlines about power supply days before shutdown
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 15/04/25 - End, Rail Future consultation
15/04/25 - Everything Electric
16/04/25 - Walk from Chetnole
10/05/25 - BRTA Westbury

On this day
3rd Apr (1944)
Wick and Lybster Railway closed (link)

Train RunningCancelled
04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads
07:40 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury
08:41 Westbury to Bristol Temple Meads
20:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern
21:04 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington
22:36 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway
Short Run
05:40 Penzance to Cardiff Central
13:18 Hereford to London Paddington
Delayed
05:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington
22:51 London Paddington to Worcestershire Parkway
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
April 03, 2025, 06:53:57 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[83] [OTD] 2nd April 1962 - First Panda Crossing
[81] It's not the train that's the problem...
[74] Extreme Day Trips
[64] Changes to the Highway Code
[61] [OTD] Senior Railcard launched 1st April 1975
[56] On this day. South Australia's triple decker train experiment.
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: SWR 158 / 159 replacements?  (Read 1592 times)
Surrey 455
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1273


View Profile
« on: October 23, 2022, 21:29:09 »

This popped up in my Google News feed.

From Rail Magazine
Quote
South Western Railway intends to replace its Class 158 and ‘159’ diesel multiple unit (DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit)) fleets by 2030 with an “innovative self-power solution” such as battery (which could include lineside rapid recharging points) or hydrogen.

Outlining plans to achieve ‘net zero’ by 2040, SWR» (South Western Railway - about) observed that its current DMU fleet, comprising 110 vehicles, is 30 years old and will need “significant investment” in the next five to ten years.

The operator said that reaching net zero carbon emissions by 2040 is dependent on a range of external factors, including: government funding; policy commitments to decarbonise the National Grid and electrify the rail network; investment and innovation in rolling stock technology; and action from the wider value chain.
Logged
Clan Line
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 982



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2022, 09:07:05 »


I hope "net zero" doesn't apply to the legroom again !
Logged
eightonedee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1791



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2022, 22:49:58 »

Quote
South Western Railway intends to replace its Class 158 and ‘159’ diesel multiple unit (DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit)▸ ) fleets by 2030 with an “innovative self-power solution” such as battery (which could include lineside rapid recharging points) or hydrogen.

Hmmm....it will be interested to see what such "solution" turns out to be. Will the new GBR (Great British Railways) be able (capable?) of procuring a reliable standard product from one or more of the suppliers of rolling stock, suitable for operating to cover gaps in either third rail or OHL (Over-Head Line) electric networks throughout the country? This seems the only realistic way of meeting this aspiration.

The current state of public finances does not look promising for pushing ahead with the optimum solution of electrification of all the mainline and secondary rail network, sadly.
Logged
broadgage
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 5663



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2022, 03:18:51 »

I suspect that any new trains to replace the existing fleet will be some hugely expensive and unreliable TRI-mode units with batteries, diesel engines, and third rail capability.

"Flexible train length" which is rail speak for shorter.
"comparable" leg room, which is rail speak for slightly worse.

And of course catering similar to that provided at present, i.e. none.

When half of the new trains fail to work, provide a connecting service via Basingstoke, as a "temporary" measure.

Must be worse than IETs (Intercity Express Train - the now official name for the replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)), this is called progress.
Logged

A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page