Ticket checks

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[gaf71]

Or "station stop" as everyone seems to announce.  Why is that?  it's very irritating.

Because the next stop might not be at a station. i.e. at a red signal.

[welshman]

No - does not compute.  The announcement is usually "The next station stop is Cardiff Central".  Nothing to do with signals.  A station is a place where trains stop.   I think the stop is tautologous.

[Chris from Nailsea]

To be fair, I agree with welshman on this: when my morning train is just outside Bristol Temple Meads, the announcement made is that "the next station stop will be Bristol Temple Meads."  The fact that we may - or may not - be held briefly at the signal before our train actually arrives at platform 3 and stops there is surely immaterial?

 

[Mookiemoo]

To be fair, I agree with welshman on this: when my morning train is just outside Bristol Temple Meads, the announcement made is that "the next station stop will be Bristol Temple Meads."  The fact that we may - or may not - be held briefly at the signal before our train actually arrives at platform 3 and stops there is surely immaterial?

 

Possibly ..... but equally as confusing would be " the next station is charlbury" when in fact anyone of hanborough, finstock or combe could be in the way

The fact the train is not stopping there is irrelevent. 

Personally I think either " the next station is....." or " the next stop is ...." would be sufficient

[Chris from Nailsea]

Erm ..., thanks, Mookiemoo!

I think that was the point I was trying to make, actually?

"The next station (or stop) - as opposed to an empty space beyond the door! - will be Finstock", for example?

C. 

[John R]

No - does not compute.  The announcement is usually "The next station stop is Cardiff Central".  Nothing to do with signals.  A station is a place where trains stop.   I think the stop is tautologous.

Yes, that's irritated me for a while too. I think we're all of one mind on this issue.

P.S. Look on the bright side. We could have BA^» (British Airways - about) running the franchise!

[Chris from Nailsea]

P.S. Look on the bright side. We could have BA^» (British Airways - about) running the franchise!

No no no no no noooo!

 

[John R]

P.S. Look on the bright side. We could have BA^» (British Airways - about) running the franchise!

No no no no no noooo!

 

So the nightmare scenario is: BA run the franchise and BAA run the infrastructure (ie Network Rail). Just imagine what it would be like; it takes 5 years to plan an upgrade of track, and when it happens it goes pear-shaped, and the first few days afterwards are a nightmare, and nobody tells the passengers anything. Hang on, come to think of it... this sounds strangely familiar. Rugby? Liverpool St? Portsmouth? etc. etc.... 

[swlines]

Portsmouth? etc. etc....

Portsmouth? First few days!  - more like first few years!

[Btline]

More stations should have barriers.

ALL suburban stations around London (and the other big cities) should be "barriered" (sorry for the new verb usage). This is because all stops are too close together for a guard to check tickets. Furthermore, is would allow Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) Cards etc.

This would prevent the actions suggested above, and allow Driver Only Operation.

Unless they barriered all stations beyond pershore to hereford, it wouldnt

In fact the only way it would solve long distance commuters doing that if they can be reasonably certain all tickets were not going to be checked would be to have barriers at all stations

But then you couldnt have unmanned ones

In this case, I was only talking about suburban services. I meant for all ex- Network South East stations/stops/station stops to have them.

As far as InterCity is concerned, I think that all InterCity stations should have barriers (Worcester anyone??). But I agree- it would be easy to get a ticket to Pershore to get through the barriers.

The basic fact is- ticket checks need to be done, barriers or not. If SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) (combined with the longer length of HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)) is preventing this, then extra staff are needed/ more "temporary" barriers at places like Pershore to scare people into getting a ticket each time.

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As for BA^» (British Airways - about), how about "First British Airways" ? Or "First Airlines."

Oh- someone better check that First do not own any of BA or BAA!!!!!!!

[Andy W]

More stations should have barriers.

ALL suburban stations around London (and the other big cities) should be "barriered" (sorry for the new verb usage). This is because all stops are too close together for a guard to check tickets. Furthermore, is would allow Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) Cards etc.

This would prevent the actions suggested above, and allow Driver Only Operation.

Unless they barriered all stations beyond pershore to hereford, it wouldnt

In fact the only way it would solve long distance commuters doing that if they can be reasonably certain all tickets were not going to be checked would be to have barriers at all stations

But then you couldnt have unmanned ones

In this case, I was only talking about suburban services. I meant for all ex- Network South East stations/stops/station stops to have them.

As far as InterCity is concerned, I think that all InterCity stations should have barriers (Worcester anyone??). But I agree- it would be easy to get a ticket to Pershore to get through the barriers.

The basic fact is- ticket checks need to be done, barriers or not. If SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) (combined with the longer length of HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)) is preventing this, then extra staff are needed/ more "temporary" barriers at places like Pershore to scare people into getting a ticket each time.

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As for BA^» (British Airways - about), how about "First British Airways" ? Or "First Airlines."

Oh- someone better check that First do not own any of BA or BAA!!!!!!!

If you put barriers at say Pershore you would also need to have a ticket machine - which I think they should do.

As Mookiemoo points out tickets are no longer checked until after Oxford since SDO so anyone getting on at Pershore will potentially get a free ride to Evesham / Honeybourne / Moreton / Kingham / Charlbury / Hanborough as none are barriered and the TM^‡(resolve) will not have done any ticket check. The first station that has a barrier check is Oxford.

[Timmer]

As for BA^» (British Airways - about), how about "First British Airways" ? Or "First Airlines."

Oh- someone better check that First do not own any of BA or BAA!!!!!!!

Don't joke, the way BA are going they will soon be ripe for take over though I doubt First could afford the asking price. It will probably go the way of most other British companies...bought by another foreign company! First were involved in air travel for a while though when they owned Bristol Airport.
I was quite looking forward to flying out of T5 next month, now im not so sure 

To keep this on topic...T5 is linked to London Paddington by the Heathrow Express and they check your tickets on this service

[Btline]

As for BA^» (British Airways - about), how about "First British Airways" ? Or "First Airlines."

Oh- someone better check that First do not own any of BA or BAA!!!!!!!

Don't joke, the way BA are going they will soon be ripe for take over though I doubt First could afford the asking price. It will probably go the way of most other British companies...bought by another foreign company! First were involved in air travel for a while though when they owned Bristol Airport.
I was quite looking forward to flying out of T5 next month, now im not so sure 

To keep this on topic...T5 is linked to London Paddington by the Heathrow Express and they check your tickets on this service

What an excellent way of getting this thread "back on track," Timmer.

Are there barriers at any of the Heathrow stations?