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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013
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on: February 17, 2014, 12:31:48
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'Electrification' has been underway for a couple of years, because the whole project includes stuff like bridge rebuilding and/or track repositioning for OHLE clearance. Then there's road access to build substations and network connection points and stuff.
The more visually obvious stuff like the masts takes some while to appear, but it doesn't mean nothing is happening, there are piled and excavated foundations for electrification masts around the Didcot area for instance.
I'd say it is wrong to say anything has stalled - it was never likely to start instantly with masts and wires appearing somewhere the very next day.
Paul
Sorry, just so much as been going about it for years, and hoping that things would move quickly, but thanks for clarifying this.
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013
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on: February 17, 2014, 10:44:19
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Electrification starting December 2013?
Apart from seeing a few posts around the Reading area of Electrification, is the electrification actually happening further afield than Reading or has it stalled?
I appreciate the weather and other factors have played a part in the delay of the electrification project but it does seem to have stalled or is moving slowly, anyone know other reasons why?
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 17, 2014, 09:33:13
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Have you any idea how much all the 6 tracking and bridge raising for double-decking you propose would cost, or how disruptive it would be for existing services? Unless you have some realistic estimates, you simply can't assert that HS2▸ would be more expensive. And why is building HS2 in the Chilterns a no-no? It isn't as if there aren't already lots of major roads going through it.
Some valid points are made I don't know how much it would to upgrade the WCML▸ or the end cost of HS2 will be, but I really cannot understand why such an unnecessary scheme is needed when again you have enough railways to the north. It's not necessary to build through the chilterns or so one can get to the midlands and the north quickly that's why you have virgin trains and east coast trains. And what is so wrong in using them, also do you really want to pay more taxes? A line clearly has to be drawn somewhere
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 17, 2014, 08:10:03
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Whilst it is true that any upgrade of the West Coast Mainline is likely to be expensive and disruptive, truthfully building a HS2▸ line will disrupt peoples livelihoods much deeper than upgrading existing lines, also the countryside doesn't need trains racing through at 250 mph.
Far more people live alongside the WCML▸ than the route of HS2; widening it would involve closing far more roads, demolishing many more businesses and properties, and seriously disrupting a vast number of existing rail passengers and freight users for a considerable length of time. HS1▸ has show that the impact of high speed trains on the countryside can be mitigated and is far less intrusive than a major road. Chris But building HS2 is going to cost more cash, which means taxes for all of us. Tbh I think the WCML if it can't be upgraded to 6 tracks should have double deck trains with various railway bridge remodelling done so the double deck trains can run. Of course there will be disruption but building the new HS2 through the chilterns is a big no no. Investing in what we have is better than unnecessary schemes like HS2. That's why i like the idea of 6 tracking the London to Reading as it's a potentially good scheme that will benefit people even if sacrifices are to be made i.e giving up homes or business. Unfortunately that's reality of life. Also like I said before communities in Somerset/Devon and Cornwall need more investment than the north, as the north has the WCML ECML▸ and MML» . It's time to do the right thing and investment money and taxes on the more important areas of the country that deserve it. Oh and if neccesary 'think this was suggest by someone on this forum' why not rip up the motorways and build the railways on then, with smaller roads used for trams
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 13, 2014, 10:31:08
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To be honest it's more peoples homes that will get destroyed if HS2▸ goes ahead, I can't see people being quite about that to be fair. I am still thinking why such a scheme is needed when other parts of the country have no railways at all whilst other critical hubs need investment quickly, Yet others have 4 or 6 track railways with fast and slow passenger trains and now planned and frakly silly HS2 scheme.
The impressive thing about the hS2 route was how homes were affected. The announced changes at Euston has dramatically reduced that already. Its not just abut how much capacity there is already, but how much is needed! Yep indeed thats correct, i suppose in the ideal world both 6 tracking and HS2 are needed in the end
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 13, 2014, 02:11:57
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I'm not sure why our Countryside is so special that it can't possibly have High Speed trains running through it, it happens in plenty of other countries worldwide. If HS2▸ isn't built the WCML▸ is going to be able to take less freight so you're going to have lots more lorries clogging up the motorways. I'm not really aware of anybody complaining about how much High Speed 1 has spoiled the areas it is now running through. 6 tracking between London and Reading probably isn't needed in the medium term. Paddington-Reading is getting a capacity boost in the future with new trains with better acceleration and a new in cab signalling which will allow for closer signalling headways.
To be honest it's more peoples homes that will get destroyed if HS2 goes ahead, I can't see people being quite about that to be fair. I am still thinking why such a scheme is needed when other parts of the country have no railways at all whilst other critical hubs need investment quickly, Yet others have 4 or 6 track railways with fast and slow passenger trains and now planned and frakly silly HS2 scheme.
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 12, 2014, 22:19:10
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It's in the HS2▸ documents, isn't it?
OK fair enough, since my computer has issues with opening up certain files, is it the case that Old Oak Common will be built on separate track and not a add on station on the main Great Western Mainline, since there is too many of those small stations around, adding to journey times if OOC▸ is build on the reliefs. And if they have all that money to build HS2 why not 6 track the whole London to Reading line with 6 tracks boosting capacity on a line that needs extra capacity desperately. Building HS2 is time consuming and not really necessary when there's already the WCML▸ and ECML▸ which could be upgraded further. Upgrading the WCML will still be expensive, and be hugely disruptive, remember all the problems with the last West Coast modernisation. HS2 will act as an alternative for the WCML, allowing fast services to be diverted off of it. It will provide a similar capacity boost as 6-tracking the WCML, but 6-tracking the WCML as far as the divergence off to Northampton is something that is unlikely to ever happen. HS2 will provide a huge capacity increase of the WCML, with the added bonus of speeding up journey times and without all the disruption that upgrading the WCML would entail. Whilst it is true that any upgrade of the West Coast Mainline is likely to be expensive and disruptive, truthfully building a HS2 line will disrupt peoples livelihoods much deeper than upgrading existing lines, also the countryside doesn't need trains racing through at 250 mph. It will spoil the area. And when i was referring to 6 tracking, i meant between London and Reading, as thats were it is needed. Like i say disruption is a risk but there are lessons from the past that should be used so those same problems and issues don't arise again or are limited.
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Extending Crossrail to Reading - ongoing discussion, merged topic
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on: February 12, 2014, 17:41:50
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It's in the HS2▸ documents, isn't it?
OK fair enough, since my computer has issues with opening up certain files, is it the case that Old Oak Common will be built on separate track and not a add on station on the main Great Western Mainline, since there is too many of those small stations around, adding to journey times if OOC▸ is build on the reliefs. And if they have all that money to build HS2 why not 6 track the whole London to Reading line with 6 tracks boosting capacity on a line that needs extra capacity desperately. Building HS2 is time consuming and not really necessary when there's already the WCML▸ and ECML▸ which could be upgraded further.
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