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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Problems with lineside equipment at Worcester
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on: March 01, 2013, 13:54:54
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Hi Guys thanks for the input - I'm not explaining myself.
Part of the rationalisation meant that Foregate Street was reconfigured from a station on a double line to two single line stations. Now what I don't understand is how reconfiguring the station saves 2 signal boxes. I am not disputing other work that removed redundant track work - it is the singling of WOS» to WOF and WOF to Rainbow Hill that I don't understand. By implementing two sections of single line working, this must surely make operations more complex. Additional signals and equimpent are required that would not necessarily be needed if double track remained.
The fact that Foregate Street Station ended-up with two bi-directional platforms was a by-product of the rationalisation, rather than the main purpose of those works back in 1973. By, moving the junction between the Hereford and the Tunnel Junction lines out to Henwick, Rainbow Hill Junction box could be closed. Putting control of the junction between the Droitwich and Hereford lines (west of SH station) onto Shrub Hill Station box, allowed the elimination of Shrub Hill Junction box. This left two single lines eastwards from Henwick - one to Shrub Hill, the other to Tunnel Junction. The additional signalling amounted to not all that much - acceptance lever & track circuit working over the newly created bi-directional lines, some new signals and re-control of others and some switches. The new stuff would have been far less than what was recovered during the works. As Henwick almost certainly had to remain in-situ to control the Level Crossing, the rationalisation design seems to have been a rather good one in the circumstances (no money) and diminished traffic of its time.
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Problems with lineside equipment at Worcester
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on: February 28, 2013, 21:18:49
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A whole lot of cost could have been saved if they'd left well alone.
You have to balance that against the savings in operating two whole signalboxes, probably on a 24-hour basis (given they're junctions, it wouldn't be easy to switch them out), for forty years. I think the railway made the right call back in 1973. The 1973 scheme involved taking a double track from Henwick through Foregate St and creating 2 single lines - one to Droitwich & one to Shrub Hill. You are saying you require 2 fewer signal boxes to run two seperate single lines with associated single line operating equipment than a double line. Looking at the diagram - if it was left as a double line operation signals A,F,G and H would not have been required. The only limitation is that Birmingham - Hereford trains would miss out Shrub Hill. Which 2 signal boxes were made redundant by this exercise? In fact, three 'boxes were closed as a result of the 1973 Worcester rationalisation. Wylds Lane Junction, which controlled the entrance/exit to the goods lines at the London end of the layout (close to the Metal Box siding, somewhere near where North Sidings Ground Frame now exists. A little to the west, is the still standing Shrub Hill Station Box. Heading west from the passenger station at Shrub Hill, there was Shrub Hill Junction 'box, in the "V" of the divergence between the Hereford and Birmingham routes. The third closed 'box, was Rainbow Hill Junction, situated in the "V" between the lines from Shrub Hill and Tunnel Junction, at the western end of the triangular layout. Earlier, (early/mid 1960's?) Foregate Street Station lost its signalbox, which had been situated on a bridge joining both platforms, above the tracks. Even earlier than this last 'box at Foregate Street, was it's predecessor, which has lately become a caf^, at the country end of platform 1. And there were at various times other signalboxes at Worcester too, on the goods lines. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Worcester shrub hill station. Heritage line??
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on: December 28, 2012, 12:57:20
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... the beauty of the imposing large factory building with the clock tower in Shrub Hill road lit up by the late afternoon sun.a A few local enquiries in Lowesmoor which had not changed one bit in 40 years, proved fruitless. I guess the buiding has had some restoration clean up work done in the last 40 years, which is why i had never really noticed it my student days....
I hope the moderators don't mind the diversion ... The building was once the Heenan and Froude engineering works. You can find a little about them here: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=045-705-411&cid=2#2and here http://www.miac.org.uk/heenan.htmThe site is now Shrub Hill Industrial Estate, the buildings having been divided up into workshop units. The works was once rail connected, via the "Vinegar Branch", which ran from somewhere near the locomotive sheds, under the Rainbow Hill curve (between Shrub Hill Station and Foregate Street Station) into the Heenan works and on, below what has recently been known as "Isaac Maddox House" (formerly the works of Mackenzie and Holland, railway signalling contractors) on the west side of Shrub Hill, across Pheasant Street, and into the Hill Evans Vinegar factory in Lowesmoor. Details here: http://www.miac.org.uk/vinegarmap.htmThe road traffic at Pheasant Street Level Crossing was controlled by GW▸ style LQ semaphore signals. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: MPs to meet minister over Worcestershire to London rail services
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on: November 27, 2012, 12:54:48
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But I don't know whether many people will remember that the Moreton stop enabled the two Class 31's (necessary to get the train up Campden Bank) to be uncoupled there and the leading locomotive to be taken off, ready to return to Worcester? ... Those were the days!
I "took-on" as a signalman at Moreton in Marsh in 1974 and remember well the feeble Cl.31s which were the alleged replacements for the Cl, 35 Hymeks on the Worcester road. The two early morning Hereford to London trains (about 5:55 from and 7:00 from Hereford if I remember) were usually 8 or 9 Mk1 coaches, often with a van up front returning to Paddington off the 01:10 down News. The usual motive power was a Cl.47 Brush Type 4, which could keep time. The Cl.31s were useless and could not keep time on anything more than 6 Mk 1s with slacker timings. So, when we knew one or both of the early fast trains had a Cl.31, the usual thing was to negotiate with the crew of Cl.31 on the 05:45 Worcester to Long Marston trip that they'd leave their wagons either at Evesham, Honeybourne or Moreton and be available to assist the express(es) up Campden bank. The bobbies would sort this out for themselves and tell control about it afterwards. Those mornings at Moreton could get very busy, even with the limited infrastucture. When the above happened you could have an express passenger train on the Up, a 3 car DMU▸ on the Down, a bubblecar standing in the Up siding and a Cl.31 about, sometimes with a string of vanfits in the Down Refuge waiting to be shunted into the Goods Shed road at the same time. Good times. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Night Riviera sleeper service - Cornwall to London
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on: August 02, 2011, 15:21:13
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Can anyone confirm this i have heard that 57603 failed a few nights ago and FGW▸ are now down to just 2, class 57's due to the 4th 57 having work done on it.
There's a picture of the day and brief report on The Railway Centre for 2nd August ... http://www.therailwaycentre.com/index.htmlJust in case it disappears, as the page is updated daily, the text by Colin J Marsden states: First Great Western managed to operate a daytime sleeper service on 1 August 2011, when the 'down' Paddington to Penzance service ran more than two hours late west of Swindon, after powering loco No. 57603 working 1C99 23.45 Paddington to Penzance was declared a failure at Swindon, with the Driver reporting a strong smell of engine fumes entering the cab from the engine room. No. 57602 working the 21.15 Penzance to Paddington was taken off at Swindon to work back west, while the passengers on the 'up' sleeper were woken and transferred to an HST▸ for the remainder of their journey. Years ago such a move would not have even been contemplated with a loco found to take over the down train and the 'up' passengers not inconvenienced. But today all that bothered FGW was to get a train back west for tonights 'up' service with the minimum disruption to loco, crew and stock operations, but with very little care about the travelling public. The very late running train is seen passing Totnes at 08.00. So I guess this relates to the down sleepers on the night of Sunday 31st July. You really have to wonder how FGW gets away with treating its paying passengers customers like this Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Cotswold Line redoubling: 2008 - 2011
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on: July 24, 2011, 12:59:08
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The Cotswold Line is considered a primary route It wasn't even that under the GWR▸ , Castles not Kings were used, Oh yes Castles were! Several were allocated to Worcester over the years. As late as 1964 Honeybourne bank was the site of speed trials where a number of the class were used to test which ones should be used on the famous high speed finale enthusiast tours to the westcountry. And in the late 1930s the famous Cecil J Allen published records in The Railway Magazine of a number of very high speed runs behind 5063 Earl Baldwin, 5049 Earl of Plymouth and 4086 Builth Castle down Honeybourne bank at over a ton. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Cotswold Line redoubling: 2008 - 2011
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on: June 10, 2011, 19:10:18
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What will be the official name of the repositioned junction of the Long marston Branch?
It appears on the diagram on page 81 of this thread as Sheen Hill No 1. There was a signalbox called Sheenhill about 3/4mile to the west of Honeybourne Station North box. It had a short life, built to control access to the MoD sidings, and was built to GWR▸ Air Raid Precautions style. Opened sometime in 1944 and closed in July 1951. The empty shell remained in-situ for a long time. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Cotswold Line redoubling: 2008 - 2011
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on: May 17, 2011, 20:25:50
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And at Moreton in the Up direction, and at Evesham in both directions - though of course rarely used due to the levels of service on the line. The ability to do that at Evesham in the Down direction will be lost come phase two, but the additional signal section at Honeybourne largely compensates for that.
I'm hesitant to argue with someone who has relevant current railway experience, but in my day as a signalman (including some time at Moreton in Marsh, many years ago) the Signalling Regs would not have allowed you to give Reg 4 "line clear" to allow a train to approach unless the line inside the home signal was clear to the clearing point, which was, then, 440 yards beyond the home signal (unless otherwise stated). So it was not possible to do as you suggest, in allowing, for example, an Up train to leave Evesham heading for Moreton, when the Up platform at Moreton was already occupied. Such a refusal used to happen from time-to-time when we had an up all-stations leaving Moreton at just gone 7 in the morning. Until this stopper had departed, the Up fast could not proceed beyond Evesham. I believe the length of the clearing point has been reduced since my days on the railway, and it's now ? 200 yards? In any event, operating without clearing points would leave the effective safety margin only of the thickness of the signal post. Nick
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Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Cotswold Line redoubling: 2008 - 2011
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on: April 19, 2011, 19:32:34
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Think it's got more to do with a desire to avoid the bridge parapets being hit by lorries/vehicles falling off on to the line Ahh. I see, thanks for the correction. I was wrong in assuming this was a footbridge being done on the cheap. The bridge is used by many HGVs most days, heading to/from the Unipart depot at Sheen Hill - which used to be the rail-connected MoD depot. As well as some traffic arising from the many fruit & veg packhouses in the area. Maybe, one day, these vehicle parts and produce will come by rail again.
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