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1  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: April 18, 2011, 14:31:20
Ok I've found it, meet the manager dates have been published.... I might have been the last to find out but here they are

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2106

Date   Time   Location
19 April 2011                    1700 - 1900        Reading       
3 May 2011    1700 - 1900    Plymouth   
17 May 2011    1700 - 1900    Bristol Temple Meads
16 June 2011    1700 - 1900    Paddington
26 July 2011    1630 - 1900        Swindon
16 August 2011    1630 - 1830    Exeter St Davids
15 September 2011    1700 - 1900    Reading
26 October 2011    1700 - 1900    Plymouth
10 November 2011    1700 - 1900    Oxford
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2  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 30, 2011, 09:00:39
I tried the new system late last week. Worked OK. Bit clunky compared to RINGO, but I didn't get a ticket, so I see that as a result.

However...

I now find I can't claim the parking back from my employer because the print-out function on the APCOA (Car parking company used at GWR (Great Western Railway) - controlled stations in the area) website isn't working. It shows I parked, where and for how long, but the actual "print file to PDF" bit just hangs.

Nice.



I tried the Apcoa system twice, both times I managed to park but took over two hours to sort out.... so I've stopped parking at the station. I now drive and although I'm not happy about my carbon footprint, I always get a seat, I've got voice recognition software so can dictate emails and my colleagues and I do conference calls on the way. It's not ideal but it really isn't that bad. FGW (First Great Western) or I guess some individuals at FGW need a rocket shoved somewhere to get them to appreciate customer service. I can make a choice, I would like to take the train but too many obstacles get put in my way to make it the logical choice, straw camel's back etc
3  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 18, 2011, 12:24:48
Thanks, wasn't quite sure how to do quotes off site, so to speak, so posted the weblink above...
4  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 18, 2011, 09:39:07
Mirada and Cobalt both use the same company for credit card data storage and management.

It seems that the security issue isn't completely sorted out despite FGW (First Great Western) saying it is.....

http://theyellowlines.wordpress.com/

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Security concerns of customers using the APCOA (Car parking company used at GWR (Great Western Railway) - controlled stations in the area) Connect parking system at First Great Western train stations is likely to increase with the revelation today that APCOA is now providing parking services at First Great Western train stations in conjunction with Dash Parking.

Dash is listing First Great Western train station car parks as locations at which it provides its services. That in itself is of no great concern. The pedigree of the companies with which customers entrust their credit card details, however, should be of considerable concern. Stuart Lawrenson has been a Director of Adaptis Solutions Limited which is the owner of the Dash website. Newsreaders will recall that prior to his involvement with Dash, Mr. Lawrenson was Chief Executive and protagonist in the multi-million pound accounting scandal at Central Parking Corp. the US company that was forced to sell its UK (United Kingdom) subsidiary, Central Parking Limited, after, ^unauthorized related party transactions and improper and inaccurate accounting entries.^ It should perhaps come as no great surprise to learn that Central Parking was sold off to^ APCOA.

As noted in a separate article by Simon English in The London Evening Standard, ^Lawrenson has paid his fine and is perhaps entitled to continue his career. As long as everyone involved knows of his history^ The Yellow lines would be interested to hear from any reader who has received notification from First Great Western or APCOA relating to the questionable history of the people they expect customers to entrust their credit card details to. On the basis they could barely notify customers of the change in parking services provider, we^ll be surprised.

This latest news comes on top of other risks noted in previous posts that the data held by APCOA is more susceptible to a breach of security than with the previous RingGo system. RingGo holds Visa^s Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard Level 1 status. The APCOA Connect service doesn^t.
5  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 18, 2011, 07:55:10
Are there any "meet the manager" events in Bristol soon?
6  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 16, 2011, 12:21:13
so that customers pay no more than they used to

I suppose I might mean who? It does seem strange that the intention to use the 0845 number from the off was clear? Who has asked for it to be changed? FGW (First Great Western), Apcoa? It couldn't possibly be as a result of customer opinion could it?
7  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 16, 2011, 11:41:43
The 0845 number is not permanent Smiley
,

Or perhaps the lack of it might be impermanent! Why would they have introduced it if not to make more money? Anyway how else are they are going to pay for all the extra posters they had to print.

Out of interest does anyone know why the 0845 numberis being replaced?
8  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 16, 2011, 09:32:04
Do they ever do these meet the manager things elsewhere? Bristol for example?
9  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 15, 2011, 13:21:22
At least I was able to pay for my parking, there is one benefit to getting up with the sparrows

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/8908867.Rail_station_car_park_new_system_fails_on_first_day/

10  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 14, 2011, 11:16:50
So against my better judgement I used the Apcoa Connect system, here's my experience

The phone numbers on the new signs were taped over saying not yet in use so I ignored them (The tape that is not the number)!

I had to use an 0845 number and then use a text to give my reg. The confirmation text did not arrive for over an hour. It told me there was a problem so I retexted and got a confirmation that I could park.
So after an 0845 phone call, two text messages and almost two hours I managed to confirm I'd parked my car. So as I expected the change hasn't been an improvement for me... anyone else??
11  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 11, 2011, 12:23:31
Hmmm - so why aren't they listed with the other Level 1 companies on VISA's website?

Exactly.... the other thing not being addressed is this from RingGo's statement

Their published terms and conditions contain no constraints whatsoever on their use of data (http://www.apcoaconnect.com/termsconditions.php). So, for example, they could use stored payment card details to pay fines that they themselves think are reasonable given their enforcement observations.  There is no arbitrator.  There is no hint of a Chinese wall.  If this proceeds then APCOA (Car parking company used at GWR (Great Western Railway) - controlled stations in the area) will have been handed the right to levy fines when APCOA's system for avoiding fines is at fault.

Happy that they're getting rid of 0845 ( at least until the heat blows over and they reintroduce it) but still think this isn't very clever of FGW (First Great Western). It it isn't broke.....
12  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 10, 2011, 14:14:34
I think people are making a fuss because they are annoyed about how badly they are being treated by FGW (First Great Western). They implement a service which works and change it without giving any reasons apart from "commercial". The 0845 number I think shows what the change is going to bring, higher prices or rather the lack of care about raising prices on an already expensive service.

All in all it looks a bit mucky. I think FGW have been telling or have been told some "economies of truth" according to these two statements from RingGo

http://www.ringgo.co.uk/APCOA

http://www.ringgo.co.uk/apcoa_second_statement_.html

If I was them I'd be worried about monday when it is meant to roll out. I doubt many penalty tickets are going to be issued that day...

13  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 10, 2011, 12:18:40
Sorry to post from anther forum but this is one of those great responses to customer services.... hope he made her smile at the very least.

bruno Dalbiez | March 10, 2011 at 11:48 am

Copy of my email to Jane Jones, Customer Relations at FGW (First Great Western), (Jane.Jones@firstgroup.com) in response to her reply to me today. I suggest that we all literally flood the in-boxes of the 4 top Execs at FGW with our messages of protests, to offer them a tangible experience of the magnitude of their customers^ dissatisfaction. Their email addresses are in one of my previous posts^.
Dear Jane Jones,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I am surprised (well only half surprised really^) that you do not seem to understand that the issue is not RATIONAL, but EMOTIONAL, like all customer satisfaction and customer loyalty issues are^.So your reply does not address the real issue at all. We, customers of RingGo are NOT interested in the logical (or not) reasons why you, FGW, have made your decision! We are not even attached to RingGo as a brand! What we ARE (passionately) attached to, is our own COMFORT, THE REASSURING FEELING THAT WE CURRENTLY ENJOY A TRUSTWORTHY, CONSISTENTLY RELIABLE AND POSITIVE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE WHEN WE PARK OUR CARS ON A BUSY MORNING, USING RINGO. So are you surprised that we are up in arms when you unilaterally and arbitrarily decide that you are going to change for a supplier who is unknown to some, and has actually provided a mediocre customer experience to others Huh? The following comparison might help express more clearly what I mean:

Imagine the following scenario: YOU, Jane, have been going to the same Hair salon for several years, and are literally delighted with both the person who cuts and styles your hair, and with the products (s)he uses. Every time, your hair looks magnificent, thick, shiny, silky, absolutely gorgeous! One day upon arriving for your appointment, the salon owner informs you that from now on, your hair will be done by a different person, and using different products. When you rightfully ask why, he says: ^The change is being made because of contract changes proposed by Goldilox, the provider of the products, which is currently contracted by our mother company to supply all our salons^. He adds : ^Following a competitive tender process to ensure best value for money, and to avoid additional costs for our customers, CRAP will be offering similar products, and because Val, who was doing your hair so far, has not been trained to use the new products, your hair will be done by Alex, from now on; she is the preferred stylist of Mrs Ramsbottom, and she cuts as well as Val^ How would you react ? Honestly ?

So please, FGW, don^t have the arrogance or the stupidity of thinking that you know better than your customers, what they want and need. Are you not HEARING what over 14 THOUSAND of your customers are shouting to you?? In the last few days, close to 7 HUNDRED busy people have taken the time and energy to write to you, some directly, and most via the Blog on http://theyellowlines.wordpress.com/ . Even more extraordinary, more and more of us are NOW WRITING TO OUR MP (Member of Parliament)^s !!!! Isn^t this a sufficiently clear hint that there might be something slightly wrong with FGW^s decision Huh?
Wake up ! You no longer live in a world where corporates used to decide unilaterally what was good for their customers !

You have a golden opportunity to positively impress thousands of your customers, by simply, VERY simply and inexpensively, putting THEIR needs before yours.
Will you have the courage and intelligence to do it? Or will you waste the opportunity and reinforce your image of a slightly old fashioned enterprise with mediocre quality of customer experience?
Yours,
14  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 10, 2011, 10:46:11
How much due diligence APCOA (Car parking company used at GWR (Great Western Railway) - controlled stations in the area) has done over the new suppliers VISA clearance, and whether APCOA (or whether APCOA told FGW (First Great Western) about the 08451 number in good time) is open to question I think.

But FGW might have been caught in a sub-contract change not of their direct making seems probable to me.

I think this is probably the truth of the matter.... but it is FGW who are going to be getting in the neck for the bad PR (Public Relations).

And as for Phil's comments about pioneers.... spot on. It's just a shame that I can use RingGo at Bristol council car parks but I then I have to use a different number to park at the station. And that's true of loads of other councils in the Southwest. It's frustrating and seems a backwards step to me.
15  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Car parking with Ringgo / APCOA Connect on: March 09, 2011, 17:55:49
You're right all the info is from that site, which isn't impartial. But here's the thing why change? RingGo works well(according to both FGW (First Great Western) and APCOA (Car parking company used at GWR (Great Western Railway) - controlled stations in the area) press releases), wins awards etc The change is motivated by making more money not on customer service and this is my big beef. I like using RingGo it makes my day,even just slightly, easier. FGW don't seem to care about that, here's their response to my questions

Thank you for your email to Sue Evans, she has asked me to reply on her behalf. I appreciate you are concerned about the change to APCOA Connect, and I am sorry to hear that you have had problems with other phone systems.

The change is being made because of a significant increase in call charges proposed by Cobalt, (the provider of RingGo). We supported APCOA when they decided not to accept these increases. We are confident that the new system - APCOA Connect will work well.  It is already the preferred choice of several Local Authorities, and Network Rail, and is equally as secure and easy to use. We will therefore be offering this service from 14 March.

You will need to register your details with them the first time you park, or you can register now on APCOA^s website; www.apcoa.co.uk/connect.  After this, you can carry on paying for your parking, as efficiently as you have always done.

If you do have problems do let me know but I trust you find all works well.

Thank you again for the email.

Best wishes

Jane Jones
Customer Relations


So my problems are, RingGo deny they tried to raise prices
http://www.ringgo.co.uk/article126.html

The new system is not a preferred solution it is used in 28 car parks not the 3000 of RingGo (I'd rather have a national system than having to use many different providers). By using the 0845 number from the outset shows an intention I don't like even if it is under review. They clearly wanted to make more money and are only bowing to pressure.

And the new system is not as secure according to Visa's accreditation system.

I think these are good reasons so until the day comes I'm going to bang on about it. On yellowlines they appear to be contacting MP (Member of Parliament)'s and the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about). At least they're not going down without a fight....


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