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1  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Long delay on the 11:00 Penzance to Paddington - 04 Aug 13 on: August 07, 2013, 23:41:34
With all due respect to insider, I think some of the "facts" in the log may have got a bit confused in the manner/order they are stated. For example,

1.  HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) Power Cars don't need "revving" to get air pressure.  Driver or Control wouldn't have said that. The compressors are electrically powered, not mechanically driven off the engine like Turbos etc.




True, they are electrically powered, but revving the engine increases the voltage of the 3 phase supply off the auxiliary alternator so the compressor runs faster so you create more air to help find the pulled pass com or leak. HST compressors are quite poor and the air capacity quite low, so it entirely feasible that by the time you get down the train looking for your leak that the air has dropped enough to bring in the low main reservoir protection so the power car stops feeding the train.
Revving the engines gives you more time to find your leak.
2  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: HST hits tree at Lavington today - 10 July 2010 on: July 18, 2010, 16:24:16

Wonderful....so vein......!

Really, without causing any undue panic, it is abit an oversight really, as the old fail-safe system has been replaced with one which is obviously less so.

So should power to train wire 12 be lost for any reason (i.e. dislodged or disconnected 36-way, CCB trip either end, Master Switch to OFF either by error or unsolicited) you potentially massively extend the braking distance of the train.

Scenario 1 - You are running along and the train hits some bulky debris on the line, this knocks out the 36-way jumper and the driver applies the anchors. The debris was dropped by a train ahead of you which also stopped quickly because of a sudden fault. Your train is now in an uncontrolled slide heading towards the back of the stationary train.

Scenario 2 - You are driving along at high speed and you suddenly see the line ahead is blocked; you hit the EMG plunger, Put the MC to OFF, anything that might help in the panic and then take cover. Train Wire 12 is now de-energised, you hit the obstruction at 110 in an uncontrolled slide rather than 75 with all the WSPs behind you doing their job.

Scenario 3 - You suffer an onboard fire whilst on the move. For the Fire Supression system in a powercar to function, the MC has to be in the OFF position. Granted, the Inergen will not discharge until the set speed falls below 6mph, but upon hearing the firebells, the Driver may instinctivley operate the EMG plunger and shut the desk down. Weeeeeeeeeeeee off we go into a slide....

Just a little bit of a design flaw!!!

Vain....
The Westinghouse WSP system is a lot better than what went before, both in terms of operation and fault finding, and any random bizarre sequences of rare events you can dream up are probably outweighed by the systems more day to day usefulness. It's not as a if a train with no working WSP is not actually braking now is it?
And what about the old WSP units that required the train air brake pipe to have pressure in it to turn on? What happened if the driver put the brake into emergency or the brake pipe split? Oh yes.....
3  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: HST hits tree at Lavington today - 10 July 2010 on: July 16, 2010, 13:56:41
Welcome to the forum 57604! Or can we call you "Pendennis"?  Wink Grin

Pen or Dennis, either is fine. Grin
4  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: HST hits tree at Lavington today - 10 July 2010 on: July 16, 2010, 13:55:05

Sorry you're right,

I know.
5  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: HST hits tree at Lavington today - 10 July 2010 on: July 16, 2010, 08:10:24
Quoting a knowledgeable source: "The CCB tripped on the leading power car so all the WSPs turned off"

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This situation is not possible, as each vehicle has an individual WSP system and whilst on 'other' forums, it has been claimed that the CCB tripped in the leading power car which (as has already been commented upon) is not surprising considering that the desk has been destroyed inevitably causing electrical shorts, this would have only disabled the WSP system in the leading powercar, not throughout the train.

The flats (Burns is probably a more appropriate word) were caused by...how can i put it...a slight operational error when the set was being rescued, but considering the unusual circumstances and the pressure to recover the stricken set, it is understandable.

Very wrong on both counts.
1. The Westinghouse WSP racks need to see a feed on train wire 12 from the leading power car, granted the old WSP units were a self contained item, but not now. If you stand next to the trailer cars when the desk is opened you can hear the blow down valves operating as the unit runs through its self test.
No train wire 12 and they turn off. Huge chunk of tree trashing the desk caused CCB to trip, hence no TW12. Simples.
2. The flats occurred due to the above happening.
Nice try, but no prize. At least you got the circuit breaker initials right.
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