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1  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: March 23, 2025, 14:57:23
Another 3 HSS (High Speed Services) BTM (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI) but BTM is a commonly used alternative)) drivers retired today... With full depot route knowledge that won't be replaced.

Since the introduction of the IETs (Intercity Express Train - the now official name for the replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) and the GWR (Great Western Railway) driver grade the company really has lost its way, the more HSS drivers that retire the more they are going to struggle to cover the work.
Route knowledge, productivity and flexibility are key, and they’re losing it quickly.
2  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Night Riviera - merged posts, ongoing discussion on: March 12, 2025, 17:08:38
Having lots of locos standing idle at depots is obviously an expensive and bad thing But one or two Thunderbird locos strategically located would be very useful.

I suppose with most passenger trains now being powered by more than a single power unit, the general thought is that even the failure of a couple of its engines would not mean a train cannot limp on

For failures in Cornwall, is there a way to seek assistant locos from the remaining loco pool for the clay traffic?

You’d think they’d be a case for funding from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) of additional 57s based at Laira purely for rescuing IETs (Intercity Express Train - the now official name for the replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) at Dawlish
3  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 on: March 10, 2025, 19:59:58
TfL» (Transport for London - about) have publicly stated how un8mpressed they are with Network Rail previously. 

Their public statement of unhappiness clearly achieved a lot!

It achieved a fair bit in securing additional resource, acknowledgement of shortcomings and undertakings that there would be improvements, but unfortunately this has yet to be delivered.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/27/140m-rail-plan-to-tackle-elizabeth-line-and-great-western-problems

And 12 months on from that article there’s been no improvement.  It was all predictably bluff and bluster from Network Rail.
4  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 on: March 08, 2025, 17:50:25
TfL» (Transport for London - about) have publicly stated how un8mpressed they are with Network Rail previously. 

Their public statement of unhappiness clearly achieved a lot!
5  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 22, 2024, 21:23:45
................what a difference double time makes to the desire to spend time with one's family!  Wink

….. but previously there were people saying drivers don’t want the overtime because they’ve had a huge pay rise!!!! 

Flash enough cash...

I wonder though…..financially, what is better for GWR (Great Western Railway)?

A mass of cancellations, replacement coaches, taxis, accommodation and delay repay OR raising the rate of pay and covering the jobs.
6  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 22, 2024, 12:33:29
Secretary of State confirms that the pay rise has made matters worse.....

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/christmas-travel-pay-rise-transport-secretary-heidi-alexander/

….. or is it just a poor excuse covering for a issue of their own making.

Raise the rest day payment during the week and the result should have been obvious, more so, as that mistake has been made before.
7  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 20, 2024, 17:10:17
................what a difference double time makes to the desire to spend time with one's family!  Wink

….. but previously there were people saying drivers don’t want the overtime because they’ve had a huge pay rise!!!! 
8  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 20, 2024, 11:44:45
Okay. I'm dealing with politicians here so... If

I will wait with bated breath!

Not entirely sure just where you got that quote from, a-driver Huh Shocked
The post that you quote is actually this one - and those words you quote don't appear!  Grin


 #2565 #2566 and #2568….. but I’m no good with quotes! 
9  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 20, 2024, 11:33:39
Some good news on the Sunday front this morning…..

The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have now given GWR (Great Western Railway) approval to restart formal conversations with the trade unions to find a solution.


Yet a further indication on who has been blocking a resolution.
10  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 19, 2024, 19:06:05
Where's the mention in that 2022 business plan about recruitment? The point I've been making. You've highlighted the 'Seven Day Railway' part of the business plan. That's about GWR (Great Western Railway) providing costing to the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) for existing staff having their contracts changed to include Sundays.
No. Those costings GWR provided to the DfT included the exact number and cost of additional drivers required.... and that is, and still remains the stumbling block.  The DfT opting to cover Sunday's on overtime with a commitment to work Sunday's.   
Every driver is rostered Sunday's, but can obviously make themselves unavailable if they choose.  You take those rostered Sunday's, you work out what that equates to over the course of the year and you add that to the basic salary.  That becomes pensionable etc.  It's relatively easy to sort. The issue is the extra number of drivers required which is what the DfT refuses to agree to.

A commitment to work Sunday's does not work.  There are issues with it.  If you are contracted to work Monday to Saturday, you can only apply for leave on those days.  You can not apply for leave on a Sunday.  Therefore, for example, f you book yourself a Saturday to Saturday holiday but you are rostered to work that Sunday, you can't get out of it. 

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It's getting somewhat tiresome to keep repeating that the driver shortage issue goes back over a decade with FGW (First Great Western)/GWR failing to address it. Cancellations due to driver shortages occur on every day of the week.

It is indeed extremely tiresome.

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FGW's/GWR's driver shortage problems did not suddenly pop into existence when the DfT awarded them the direct contract in 2022. This thread alone is evidence of that. And other threads on a similar theme predate the start of this one in 2017.

Instead of recruiting since 2012 FGW/GWR were happy to take the cheaper option of paying overtime to their existing drivers, relying on goodwill. That just stored up problems for the future - an aging driver pool, losing the goodwill, industrial action...

You haven't got a shortage of drivers, in fact, they're over established at many depots.  The issue is not all the drivers sign all the routes and/or traction.  That issues stems from the huge number of new drivers they have recruited over the last 10-15years.  If you were based at Paddington depot 10-12 years ago and walked in the mess room tomorrow, you wouldn't recognise any faces such is the turnover of staff.
You train new drivers right up until they can become productive and then you let them loose on the mainline.  This gives them time to settle in, find their feet, grow in confidence etc.  You don't overload them with all the routes in one hit. That's not the way to retain key information.
Not only have they recruited a significant number of new drivers over the last 10-15 years, but you've had the IET (Intercity Express Train - the now official name for the replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan))'s come into service and 387's.  You've had the Turbo's move West, 158's move West and Castle sets.  That's all new traction training and handling hours. 
Covid then came along and everything came to a halt. Which things resumed, some instructors weren't comfortable having others in the cab and gave up the role so new instructors had to be recruited and trained.  There's still a backlog of training outstanding and there's still a large number of wanna-be train drivers in the talent pool awaiting start dates so it's an ever improving situation, rest day working is, from what I hear, certainly reducing.  However, July 2025 see's the pay rise reflected in final salary pensions so you could see an exodus then, and if that involves old BR (British Rail(ways)) staff, they only have to provide minimal notice. 


Sunday's will always remain an issue until the DfT agrees to a solution.  Either a rise in Sunday's rates or bringing Sunday's into the working week.  The ball is in the DfT's court.  The DfT have agreed increased payments for 22nd (albeit to late) and the 29th so we shall see the outcome of that shortly.


Okay. I'm dealing with politicians here so... If

I will wait with bated breath!

11  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 19, 2024, 12:42:23
Just a note to say that, even if there's no proof in the public domain, you can't claim that it doesn't exist. Confidentiality clauses exist in most commercial contracts.

Equally, you can't claim it DOES exist.

Meanwhile, my MP (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post - a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London, depending on context) is putting the question to the rail minister. When I have that response I will of course share it here.

When!    Cheesy

Business plan dated 14 June 2022.  Page 28.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65eadac062ff48ff7487b253/first-greater-western-limited-2022-business-plan-commitments-2022-to-2023.pdf
The extract is as follows:.

Train Crew - Seven Day Railway
4.1 4.2 The Operator will use all reasonable endeavours to increase the number of drivers with a Sunday working
commitment.

The Operator will by no later than 9 December 2022 submit an indicative costed proposal to the Secretary of State
to include Sundays in the working week for drivers during the Contract Term, and the Operator shall ensure that
such costed proposal:

(a) specifies clear and deliverable outputs and the steps required to implement such outputs;b) identifies relevant risks and potential mitigations;
(c) identifies options for delivery of outputs (including options for introduction of Sundays in the working
week for drivers from such different points during the Contract Term as the Secretary of State may
direct); and
(d) identifies all estimated potential costs including of any proposed options,

and shall do so in a manner consistent with the potential incorporation of such proposals in the draft Business Plan
to be submitted to the Secretary of State by no later than 15 December 2022 so that they are capable of being taken
forward through the annual Business Plan process set out at paragraph 3 of Chapter 7.7 (Business Plan) of the
Contract if so directed by the Secretary of State.

It is acknowledged that the Secretary of State may, in accordance with paragraph 3 (Annual Business Plan Process)
of Chapter 7.7 (Business Plan) of the Contract, propose the applicability of a business plan commitment equivalent
to paragraph 4.1 in future Contract Years.


So, a company that you believe has total control of operations, a free reign to do as it pleases..... for some reason..... has to submit a detailed and costed proposal to the Secretary of State to have Sunday's in the working week.  And that proposal can only be implemented if so directed by the Secretary of State.  To me, that sounds very much like the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have total control. 

I'd very much like to know from your MP why the proposal wasn't agreed by the Secretary of State. 
12  Journey by Journey / London to South Wales / Re: Train passengers to London from Cardiff and Bristol 'face slower services' on: December 18, 2024, 23:12:05
Why not just make Old Oak the new terminus for GWR (Great Western Railway)?

At some stage in the future, the railway will outgrow (if it hasn't already) the current Paddington station and I can see little scope for lengthening the current platforms or adding additional platforms.  Obviously you still couldn't run longer than 10-car IET (Intercity Express Train - the now official name for the replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan))'s to a lot of destinations on the GWR network but you've got to start somewhere with future planning.     
13  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 18, 2024, 11:11:41
I assume you've also read the business plan? 

Yes. Nothing in that about DfT» (Department for Transport - about) control over the hiring and training of staff.

You clearly haven't read it. 
14  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 18, 2024, 06:22:36
In the absence of publicly available information I'll go with what is available. The Franchise Agreements, Service Level Commitments and the current 2022 Greater Western National Rail Contract and Train Service Plans. Rather than hearsay and conspiracy.

Why would the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) prescribe a train service plan and then hamstring the operators ability to provide that service level? There would be contract breaches. If this is really happening and the DfT are preventing GWR (Great Western Railway) from fulfilling their contractual obligations why aren't GWR saying so?

If you think that a few hundred pages of A4 that forms a Franchise Agreement or National Rail Contract, a document that is very much word for word, the same for every TOC (Train Operating Company) then you carry on thinking that!  The main details in any franchise is deemed commercially sensitive.

I assume you've also read the business plan? 
15  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion on: December 17, 2024, 23:29:41
The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) sets the staffing levels. A move to get Sundays into the working week would have required approval from the DfT. Again, you can’t hire more staff without the DfT approval.

Can you point out to me in the 2012 Greater Western Franchise Agreement or the Service Level Commitment where the staffing levels are prescribed by the DfT? Or elsewhere. I've found nothing yet that states the DfT were responsible for the hiring and training of TOC (Train Operating Company) staff or the numbers that can be employed. Indeed I've found nothing in ANY 'classic' franchise agreement where numbers of staff are prescribed. Beyond obligating franchisees to ensure sufficient staff to meet Service Level Commitments.

Section 15 of the (now superceded) 2020 Greater Western Franchise Agreement went into great detail about the operators' obligations to provide and train adequate staff. At no point in that agreement did it state that the DfT or Secretary of State had put limits on staff numbers, nor prescribed how many were to be recruited. It did however put obligations on the operator to enusre there were sufficient staff to run the timetabled service.

And you seriously think that information is public?    Roll Eyes

Who determines what is "sufficient".   You're clearly in the belief that a company can be as reckless as it likes with a franchise/contract and then just hand the keys back without penalty! 
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