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Title: Long Rock depot, Penzance - facilities, improvements & incidents (merged posts)
Post by: marky7890 on October 03, 2011, 17:37:27
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?



Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: thetrout on October 03, 2011, 17:53:20
I wouldn't have thought so because the St Ive's trains use the bay platform at St Erth, which wouldn't be long enough to platform a HST.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 03, 2011, 18:11:01
Might have been a temporary staffing problem if a crew change was due.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: smokey on October 03, 2011, 20:35:06
Maybe the St Ives Unit was Nicked to work an Up service.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: vacman on October 03, 2011, 21:59:06
Maybe the St Ives Unit was Nicked to work an Up service.
They wouldnt normally do that as to cancel the St Ives for a couple of hours means about 15 cancellations rather than cancelling 1 train on the main, but then I havent checked my Tyrell chack today so I dont know.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Smartie36 on October 03, 2011, 22:55:18
Lucky I wasn't doing one of my day trips down to st ives today, not with all that going on.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Phil on October 04, 2011, 15:56:40
That may well be how you feel, Smartie, and I'm all for honesty and the right to freedom of speech - however I'm sure the friends and family of the poor soul who lost his life yesterday don't feel quite as fortunate as you do, and neither does anyone involved with that particular train, both crew and passengers alike. My feelings certainly go out to them, and I'm afraid I have very little sympathy left over for you and the potential for interruption to your travel plans. Please don't take this as as admonition, but simply a request to have a little more consideration before posting in future. Thanks.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 04, 2011, 16:22:03
however I'm sure the friends and family of the poor soul who lost his life yesterday don't feel quite as fortunate as you do

Agree totally with your sentiments Phil.  Just for the record it was a woman who died which in a strange way makes me feel worse.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Maxwell P on October 04, 2011, 21:29:30
I understand that the victim was an elderly female who misjudged a foot crossing in the Longrock area.  Fatalities are dreadful at all times, but accidental deaths are especially harrowing. Sympathies to the bereaved and also to the train-crew involved, whom I believe, naturally enough, to be devastated.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 30, 2011, 16:08:14
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/111003_Penzance.cfm) is carrying out an investigation into an accident which occurred at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance on Monday 3 October 2011.

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Investigation into a fatal accident at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, Cornwall, 3 October 2011

At approximately 15:50 hrs on Monday 3 October 2011, a pedestrian was struck and killed on Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, by train 2C47, the 13:53 hrs service from Plymouth to Penzance; formed by a two-car Class 150 diesel multiple unit.
The accident happened when the pedestrian was crossing from the south (beach) side of the crossing towards Long Rock village.  To reach the crossing pedestrians must first pass through a simple pedestrian gate.  There are no warning lights or audible alarms to alert users of approaching trains.  However, for trains heading towards Penzance, a sign has been provided 348 metres (381 yards) before the crossing to instruct train drivers to sound their horns to warn pedestrians of the approach of a train before it comes into view.  The driver of train 2C47 had sounded the horn when in proximity to this sign.

As the train approached the crossing, it was travelling at a speed of about 48 mph (77 km/h), slightly below the maximum permitted speed at this location.  Soon after becoming aware of the presence of the pedestrian, the driver sounded the train horn again and applied the brakes.  However, there was insufficient time to avoid the accident.

The RAIB will publish a report or a bulletin to present the findings of this investigation.  This will be available on the RAIB website.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 03, 2012, 18:23:31
From the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/ANNIVERSARY-APPEAL-FOLLOWING-LEVEL-CROSSING-DEATH-LONG-ROCK-PENZANCE-1854.aspx):

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ANNIVERSARY APPEAL FOLLOWING LEVEL CROSSING DEATH ^ LONG ROCK, PENZANCE

British Transport Police (BTP) officers are today appealing for anyone who witnessed a fatality at Mexico foot crossing at Long Rock, Penzance, Cornwall, on Monday, 3 October 2011 to come forward.

Jeanette Nicholls, aged 73, of Godolphin Road, Long Rock, died after being struck by the 1446hrs Par-Penzance First Great Western service shortly before 4pm on Monday, 3 October.

The incident is being treated as non-suspicious but, ahead of a forthcoming inquest into Mrs Nicholls^ death, BTP officers are appealing for anyone who may have witnessed the incident, or the events leading up to it, to come forward.

Detective Sergeant Jon Rawson, of BTP, said: ^On behalf of HM Coroner for Cornwall, we are making further enquiries into the tragic death of Mrs Nicholls ahead of the inquest.

^We have already spoken to a number of people in relation to the incident at Mexico foot crossing but I am today appealing for anyone who hasn^t already spoken to police, but who may have information which could assist our enquiries and assist the Coroner ahead of the inquest, to please come forward.^

Anyone who believes they will be able to assist is asked to contact British Transport Police on Freefone 0800 40 50 40, quoting incident number 379 of 03/10/2011.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 03, 2012, 18:42:48
Without wishing to sound unduly crass, someone in the BTP press office might want to pick up a dictionary and check the meaning of the word "anniversary" ::)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: JayMac on June 21, 2012, 16:32:19
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has released its report into the fatal accident which occurred at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, 3 October 2011. The RAIB has made five recommendations.

http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2012/report102012.cfm

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Summary

At around 15:50 hrs on Monday 3 October 2011, a pedestrian was struck and fatally injured by a train on Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance in Cornwall. On approaching the crossing round a curve, the train driver had observed a person standing to the side of the line and had sounded the warning horn immediately before the train reached the crossing. However, the pedestrian then attempted to cross and was struck.

Although it is not possible to be certain why the pedestrian attempted to cross, the RAIB considers that she either misjudged the speed of the approaching train or misjudged her position in relation to the approaching train. She probably saw the train too late to make a reasoned judgement about whether she should cross. The driver had also sounded the train^s horn as required by a lineside ^whistle^ board when the train was approximately 15-16 seconds from the crossing, and out of sight. If the pedestrian had heard and responded to the sounding of the train^s horn at this stage, it is likely that she would not have passed through the gate and onto the crossing until the train had passed. The RAIB considers that the sounding of the horn when the train was 15-16 seconds from the crossing did not serve its function of warning the crossing user of the approaching train for one of the following reasons:

  • the sound of the horn was inaudible to her; or
  • she heard a horn being sounded, but did not distinguish it as coming from a train; or
  • she did not register that the train horn was sounded, because she was only approaching the crossing at this time and not yet focused on crossing the railway.

The RAIB has made five recommendations. Three recommendations have been made to Network Rail regarding improvements to sighting and warning arrangements for pedestrians using Mexico footpath crossing, developing a national approach to the location and marking of decision points at level crossings and optimising warning arrangements for pedestrians at level crossings provided with whistle boards. One recommendation (in two parts) has been made to RSSB regarding improving intelligence on near-miss incidents at level crossings and enhancing its processes for reviewing the effect of changes made in 2007 to arrangements for sounding train horns at whistle boards. One recommendation has been made to First Great Western regarding a change to standards to require objective testing of horns after a train has been involved in an incident or accident.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 07, 2012, 18:20:04
From This is Cornwall (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-17525251-detail/story.html?):

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'Deadly' railway crossing near Penzance could close following inquest

A railway crossing near Penzance which claimed the life of a grandmother when she was struck by a train last year has been recommended to be closed, following an inquest in Truro today.

Jeanette Nicholls, 73, died from multiple injuries received when using a footcrossing near the Mexico Inn in Long Rock on October 3 last year.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/17525251/4381979.jpg)
Jeanette Nicholls, who was struck on the Mexico footcrossing in Long Rock last October

Her death was the second on the crossing and followed five near misses, and two other incidents, to have occurred on the line since June 2007; the latest just a month before the accident.

It is the second fatality to have occurred on the crossing, following the death of Joy Mayo in 1972.

After a jury at the inquest had recorded a verdict of accidental death, coroner Barrie Van Den Berg made the recommendation that the crossing is closed in favour of a level crossing further down the line.

Speaking after the inquest, Mrs Nicholls' family said they were delighted with the outcome. Her daughter, Vanessa Webster, said: "The family is very pleased with the verdict of accidental death following today's inquest and especially heartened by the coroner's recommendation to close the crossing.

"We hope that Network Rail and the relevant councils progress this closure as soon as possible to prevent further tragedies. It is the second death that  has happened on the line, five near misses and two other incidents reported since 2007. It's an accident waiting to happen."

The inquest heard how Mrs Nicholls, who is from village, had been struck by a the First Great Western Service from Plymouth to Penzance at 3.50pm, crossing the line towards Long Rock from a coastal path.

Train driver Nina Hampton, who was absolved of any responsibility for the accident, described how she had sounded her horn after seeing Mrs Nicholls on the crossing. She said: "I would say I was about 100-150 metres away when I saw a lady standing to the left of the crossing.  I blew the horn a second time, she then turned and faced the train and I hit the brake."

Mrs Hampton then described how she had felt a bang on the front of the train before stopping just past a level crossing a couple of hundred metres down the line.

Mrs Nicholls was treated on the scene but died from multiple injuries.

John Cope, from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch, said he could not be certain what caused Mrs Nicholls to be hit but recommended Network Rail consider whether improvements could be made to sighting, review where whistle boards are placed and conduct a nation-wide review to improve warnings at level crossings.

Chris Denham from Network Rail said: "Our thoughts are with Mrs Nicholls' family and Network Rail supports their view that the level crossing should be closed. We will work closely with Cornwall  Council to try to achieve that aim and await details of the coroner's recommendations. We have closed more than 600 level crossings since 2009 and continue with that programme as we try to reduce areas of risk on the railway."

A spokesperson for Cornwall Council added: "We would welcome the invitation from Network Rail to investigate the closure of the crossing. Any proposed closure would be first subject to consultation."


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 07, 2012, 18:21:53
This was the first article of Westcountry ITV news tonight at 6pm, not sure if can be seen on Iplayer.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: chrisoates on December 20, 2012, 21:43:14
Crossing to be closed until further notice.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: folrmc on February 16, 2013, 14:36:15
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?


Now NR wants to close the crossing.

Edit note:   Quote marks moved to clarify.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on February 16, 2013, 14:53:27
Welcome to the forum folrmc.  I've just tidied up your opening post to clarify the quote and your post.  Have you a view on the crossing remaining open or being closed?


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: chrisoates on February 17, 2013, 00:49:56
Welcome to the forum folrmc.  I've just tidied up your opening post to clarify the quote and your post.  Have you a view on the crossing remaining open or being closed?

I used the crossing a lot - at minimum if re-opened it would need to be light controlled which would be very simple as there is a controlled crossing nearby
Sighting of 'down' trains is poor there as the up and down lines merge to single track -  the single line appearing from around a bend where the 'W' board is sited.
I've had a close one there when I didn't hear the horn of a 150.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: grahame on February 17, 2013, 07:55:08
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?


Now NR wants to close the crossing.

Edit note:   Quote marks moved to clarify.


Is "folrmc" one for our abbreviations list - "Friends Of Long Rock Mexico Crossing"?

Note of caution - I don't personally know the area, so comments made will be general and in the form of questions ...

History.   Accident on crossing, October 2011, pedestrian killed.  Not the first fatality there - a number of near misses reported in recent years, and if you look back to 1972 you'll find another fatality.  At the December 2012 inquest, the coroner recommended the closure of the foot crossing, with a suggestion that people use a level crossing further down the line. However, users and businesses say that this makes for more problems, with people having to risk their lives walking on a dangerous road instead, and also that the (current temporary) closure is having a massive negative effect on the area served by the crossing. Network Rail now proposes permanent closure.   Is that a correct summary?

It strikes me that there are three options
a) Close the crossing permanently
b) Take measures which will make it safer
c) Leave it "as is" open.

Observations

* Any crossings of a railway line (level, bridge; foot, vehicle) are going to cost more to provide and support than a stretch of straight track, so it's in the infrastructure provider's financial and operation interest to eliminate as many of them as possible.

* We put a very high priority onto rail safety, even though (for most categories) rail is much safer than road. If the lady in question had died as a result of being hit by a road vehicle on the neighbouring road, I doubt whether the accident would have made such headlines, nor would it have resulted in footpath or vehicle closure of that road.

* There's often a temptation to react with an expensive solution where alternative lower cost ones are available.

Discuss  ;)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 17, 2013, 10:13:24
What would the costings be of a footbridge to install, assume this would be a lot cheaper than a lights system which would need electrical circuits in the track.
Should the crossing not reopen, can I ask what is wrong with the pavement along the main road, which is normally shielded from the traffic by a row of parked cars. I therefore dont see the objection of the busy main road as a valid objection.
I was at Long Rock and used the level crossing on Thursday, so these are fairly recent observations.

The foot crossing is down the lane where the "keep clear" markings are on the road here http://goo.gl/maps/CGznZ follow the road to where the level crossing is.
The level crossing is down this road. http://goo.gl/maps/Se56D all are within a 30mph zone, (nice shot of the night riviera loco here as well)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 17, 2013, 11:09:12
The proposal to close this foot crossing is not new: from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/120621_R102012_Mexico_FPC.pdf) on the sad death of Jeanette Nicholls:

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Other reported actions

132 Network Rail has applied to Cornwall Council to have Mexico footpath crossing closed, diverting users to the nearby Long Rock CCTV crossing, where they would be fully protected from the railway by barriers when trains are approaching. Historical information held by Network Rail indicates that:
- Mexico footpath crossing had been a vehicular right of way until 1961. When the crossing was closed to vehicles at that time, Cornwall County Council said that there was a prescriptive right of way through the crossing and that it could not be closed to all users.
- British Rail had applied again to close the crossing in 1991, but this was rejected by County, District and Parish Councils.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2013, 23:41:40
From the Falmouth Packet (http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/10348637._/?):

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Request to stop people using Longrock rail crossing

Network Rail has formally applied to asked to close the Long Rock pedestrian level crossing at Mexico Inn, in the interests of public safety.

Cornwall Council is carrying out informal consultation with a range of groups with an interest in the future of a footpath across the main line railway following the request.

Section 118A of the Highways Act 1980 gives specific powers to relevant authorities, such as Cornwall Council, to make public path orders to close public rights of way where they cross railways.

The grounds for making a Rail Crossing Extinguishment Order are specific and apply where it appears to be in the interests of public safety.

Before it determines whether or not to exercise its power to make a Rail Crossing Extinguishment decision, the Council has written to a number of organisations and individuals including emergency services, utility companies, Ludgvan Parish Council and people who have previously contacted the Council.

The purpose of this letter is to carry out informal consultations and to seek information which will assist it in determining whether the crossing should be closed on these grounds.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on April 15, 2013, 08:59:20
There has been quite a campaign to save the crossing

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex1.jpg)

When I was there in March there were similar signs on all the lamposts/telegraph polls leading up to the closed crossing

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex2.jpg)

The alternative is the road crossing at the end of the Long Rock depot.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex3.jpg)

The diversion is less than five minutes walk but does mean swapping a stroll along the sea front for one along a busy road.



Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 15, 2013, 18:38:38
The diversion is less than five minutes walk but does mean swapping a stroll along the sea front for one along a busy road.

The busy road does have a pavement and a row of parked cars between the pavement and the traffic.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on April 15, 2013, 19:22:19
Agreed - but still not as appealing as the other route.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 15, 2013, 20:38:06
To be fair - those "arrogant bullies" ( :o ) at Network Rail are simply following a recommendation from the coroner,

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After a jury at the inquest had recorded a verdict of accidental death, coroner Barrie Van Den Berg made the recommendation that the crossing is closed in favour of a level crossing further down the line.

Speaking after the inquest, Mrs Nicholls' family said they were delighted with the outcome. Her daughter, Vanessa Webster, said: "The family is very pleased with the verdict of accidental death following today's inquest and especially heartened by the coroner's recommendation to close the crossing.

"We hope that Network Rail and the relevant councils progress this closure as soon as possible to prevent further tragedies. It is the second death that has happened on the line, five near misses and two other incidents reported since 2007. It's an accident waiting to happen."

and an invitation from Cornwall Council,

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A spokesperson for Cornwall Council added: "We would welcome the invitation from Network Rail to investigate the closure of the crossing. Any proposed closure would be first subject to consultation."


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2013, 10:24:32
From The Cornishman (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cabinet-consider-Long-Rock-crossing-closure-order/story-19939794-detail/story.html):

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Cabinet to consider Long Rock crossing closure order

The decision to close the pedestrian crossing in Long Rock will go before a meeting at County Hall next month.

Cornwall Council's Cabinet will decide whether the August 14 extinguishment order should go to the Secretary of State for approval.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/19939794/5390291.jpg)
Councillor Roy Mann at the 'extinguished' Mexico railway crossing.

The crossing was closed at the request of Cornwall's Deputy Coroner in December 2012 following the death of Jeanette Nicholls at the spot.

Ludgvan councillor Roy Mann requested the closure be brought to the Cabinet, and said: "This is the fairest way to make this decision. I've always supported the reopening of the crossing. Indeed, myself and my family have used it. Accident stats say it has a 1 in 11 million chance of an accident. I'd say there's a greater chance of an accident on the roads in Long Rock. Ninety-eight per cent of residents support the reopening of the crossing. Local support should be respected if localism means anything."

The decision to close the crossing permanently was delegated to Peter Marsh, the council's director of environment, after he inspected the site earlier in the year.

Following more than 100 objections to the closure order, if the council wishes the order to be made permanent it is legally obliged to send it to central Government for confirmation.

However, Cornwall Council has the power to overrule the extinguishment order before the Cabinet meeting.

Those who formally objected to the order have been told by letter that the meeting will take place on November 27.

Rob Nance, chairman of the Friends of Long Rock Mexico Crossing (FLRMC), said the impending Cabinet discussion was welcome news. "This is what we wanted," he said. "We hope they look at the order again and see that the statistics have been wrongly interpreted by Network Rail. We're 99 per cent sure that if the decision went to the Secretary of State, we'd win. It would be a complete waste of time to do it. We welcome members of the Cabinet to come and see the site. I think they will revoke it."

FLRMC plans to attend the council meeting en masse, with the hope of being able to put questions directly to the members of the Cabinet during the 15 minutes allowed for this. Questions must be submitted in advance by e-mail to cabinet@cornwall.gov.uk and must be received a full two days before the meeting.

Those unable to attend can watch the meeting via a live webcast on the council website at www.cornwall.gov.uk


Title: Long Rock depot, Penzance - facilities, improvements & incidents (merged posts)
Post by: old original on May 30, 2014, 07:09:45
Can't see it myself, but.....

http://www.cornishman.co.uk/Ministers-lobbied-pound-146-million-Cornish-rail/story-21152768-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 30, 2014, 07:31:10
The Cornishman has excelled itself with this story, it's a recycle of a story they ran a few months ago.

From march http://www.cornishman.co.uk/Government-urged-London-train-depot-Penzance/story-20846889-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Southern Stag on May 30, 2014, 13:00:19
There do seem to be updates on the progress of the idea in the newer article.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: bobm on July 02, 2014, 18:46:58
Latest from local MP Andrew George

 (http://www.andrewgeorge.org.uk/george-hails-rail-campaign-success-multi-million-improvements-mainline-sleeper-penzance/[/url)
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West Cornwall MP, Andrew George, is hailing a Government announcement due to be made tomorrow as a campaign success for the Independent and Liberal Democrat led Cornwall Council, and the work of a key council official ^ Nigel Blackler (whose brainchild it was) ^ for his constituents who massively backed his petition and campaign for this ^multi million investment.
 
The major project, which will be unveiled by the PM David Cameron at Long Rock in Mr George^s constituency is to improve rail services from Penzance, including:- a major sleeper service upgrade, major improvements in the mainline signalling to increase service efficiency, the relocation of a major Train Care and maintenance Centre to the Long Rock depot, bringing at least 60 much needed jobs to the area and a Transport Interchange at St Erth.
 
Mr George applauded the thousands of local people who supported his successful campaign for major investment in train services from Penzance. Andrew led the Parliamentary campaign for the ^multi million campaign.
 
Mr George who asked the PM about the matter today in PMQs, said, ^This is fantastic news. It^s been a long time coming. But this is just a beginning, not the end to the investment we deserve.
 
^This campaign has been going for years. There^s a great deal more needed to improve our rolling stock and rail infrastructure so that we don^t get left behind. I will continue to campaign for the necessary investment and improvements to our rail services until we get a firm commitment from Government to provide a rail service in keeping with 21st century requirements.
 
^But, I am glad that the Conservatives have finally recognised the merit of this case and the urgent need for improvements in our rail service. But, I am proud of the way in which my constituents have rallied behind the campaign for a resilient rail service. I have been humbled by the thousands of local people who have supported my petition to build up pressure on the Government to make sure that the Penzance line secures the investment it deserves for a resilient rail service.
 
^MPs across all parties, in Cornwall and the South West, have already voted not to deny communities on the London North corridor the ^billions of investment necessary for HS2 to get underway. But it is only reasonable to continue to ask that the Government gives us a just share of investment to provide the resilient and reliable rail service from Penzance to Paddington. The petitioners and the thousands of locals who support them expect nothing less.
 
^Curiously the PM has been coy about letting me know about his visit. But he^s very welcome nevertheless. This has been a great campaign and a deserved success. It^s marvellous to gather support, even from the ^Johnny come latelies^ in the Tory Party. The train hasn^t left the station yet and there^s room for many more to clamber aboard, even at this stage^


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Southern Stag on July 02, 2014, 19:02:44
Be interesting to see the detail in the announcement tomorrow. Any upgrades to Long Rock depot to allow it to maintain more rolling stock is obviously closely linked to the long term rolling stock strategy in Cornwall. If London-Plymouth/Penzance trains are going to retain HSTs then an upgrade to move some maintenance of HSTs sets to Long Rock once IEP is introduced makes sense. If an option is taken up for more IEPs to run London-Plymouth/Penzance services then I wouldn't have thought Long Rock would be much involved with the maintenance of IEPs beyond overnight stabling and servicing. Of course there's always the DMUs for the Local services too. One of the options in the aborted Invitation to Tender for the Great Western franchise was a reduction in through services to Penzance with connecting services provided from Plymouth instead. If that was an option going forward then Long Rock could be used to maintain the greater number of Local DMUs which would be needed in the area.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: ChrisB on July 02, 2014, 19:08:34
Old Oak Common does need to find s new home as HS2 will need most pf the space, plus the new huge station planned, so why not at the other emd of the route?


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Electric train on July 02, 2014, 19:12:58
Old Oak Common does need to find s new home as HS2 will need most pf the space, plus the new huge station planned, so why not at the other emd of the route?
Yep its about 100meter South call North Pole


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: ChrisB on July 02, 2014, 19:24:59
Not their depot....the link for Heathrow and the station


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Southern Stag on July 02, 2014, 22:03:33
North Pole is the replacement for Old Oak Common as it's currently being refurbished in preparation for IEP. I'm not sure what happens to the HEX fleet, is there room for their site to remain? Obviously the HEX fleet isn't going to be maintained at Long Rock anyway!


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: CLPGMS on July 02, 2014, 22:47:35
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Old Oak Common does need to find a new home as HS2 will need most pf the space, plus the new huge station planned, so why not at the other emd of the route?

Whilst it is good practice to have a depot at the "country end" of a route, having two of them west of Dawlish sea wall could land FGW with real problems with stranded rolling stock if history repeats itself and no diversionary route is made available.  Facilities are also required at the London end.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: ChrisB on July 03, 2014, 08:32:09
Wouldn't disagree with that comment either


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: alexross42 on July 03, 2014, 09:19:33

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28135030 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28135030)

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Just over ^146m will be spent upgrading the South West rail network including an overhaul of sleeper trains.

Prime Minister David Cameron said the ^146.6m was a "crucial part of a long-term economic plan to back business".

The upgrades will see the sleeper trains linking London with Devon and Cornwall upgraded, as well as signalling improvements west of Totnes.

Tim Jones from the Devon and Cornwall Business Council said the work would improve track speeds.

He said it would make an "immeasurable difference" and he also hoped it would pave the way for the introduction of half-hourly services on the Cornish mainline.

The investment includes ^9m of funding from the Department for Transport, ^29.6m from Cornwall Council and the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership, ^103.5m from Network Rail and ^4.5m from train operator First Great Western.

Nearly seven million passengers use the rail network in Cornwall every year, with passenger numbers growing twice as fast as the national average.

Bert Biscoe, Cornwall Council's cabinet member for transportation, said enhancing main line signalling was as important as improving the A30 and building the Tamar Bridge in keeping the county connected.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: paul7575 on July 03, 2014, 10:04:42
Seems it is just the sleeper maintenance heading to Long Rock, panic over...  ;D
 
As just posted in the Cornwall forum here:
Paul




Edit note: For clarity and ease of future reference, I've now merged the two topics here. CfN.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Henry on July 03, 2014, 10:16:19

 Ironic timing really following signal problems yesterday at Ivybridge.
 
 Delayed at Totnes yesterday afternoon, although having a pleasant chat with the platform staff.
 Seems that a TCF meaning one train allowed into the signal section at any one time.
Unfortunately being a long signal section meant delays of upto 20 minutes, however my railway education
 was enhanced.
 
 Unfortunately 3 'idiots' decide to walk off the edge of the platform on the downside and decide to
 inspect the road bridge, totally ignoring warnings voiced by the platform staff.
 Not rail passenger's it turns out they were member's of the 'Totnes Transport forum' ,affiliated
 to the 'Transistion Totnes Group'.

 Need I say anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 03, 2014, 15:28:32
From the First Great Western press release:

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Major package of rail improvements for Cornwall

The Prime Minister has today announced a ^146.6 million package of rail improvements for Cornwall which will see a major upgrade to the Sleeper service, improved signalling on the main line and enhancements to the traincare maintenance centre in Penzance.
 
The announcement has been welcomed by Cornwall Council and the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership who have spent the last 18 months working with First Great Western, Network Rail and the Department for Transport on new measures to improve rail services in Cornwall.
 
Last year First Great Western and the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership secured two additional carriages for the Night Riviera Sleeper service, one of only two Sleeper operations in the UK. Today^s announcement will see significant improvements to the quality of the Sleeper berths, day coaches and the saloon area by April 2016.

Video: artist impression of the new Night Riviera Sleeper (http://youtu.be/RypBSOouz3s).
 
The package will also see Network Rail^s proposals to renew signalling across Cornwall^s 128 kilometres of main rail line brought forward by five years to December 2018. This will increase capacity, provide the opportunity for improved journey times in the future and support Cornwall Council's desire to provide a half-hourly service on the main line.

The third element of the package involves the improvement of the engineering capabilities and capacity of the train care depot in Penzance. Once operational in autumn 2016, the depot will provide modernised facilities to maintain the Sleeper with the capacity to add additional rolling stock in the future to support Cornwall Council^s desired service enhancements.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: ^Ensuring that we have first class infrastructure across Britain is a crucial part of our long-term economic plan to back business, create jobs and provide a brighter future for hardworking people. This investment, which will boost the local economy and improve connectivity, is great news for Cornwall, the South West and beyond.^

Cornwall Council^s Cabinet Member for Transportation, Bert Biscoe said: ^This announcement is great news for Cornwall. We have been working closely with the LEP and First Great Western to improve our rail services and are delighted that the Government is supporting our plans. This is a real opportunity to develop Cornwall^s public transport network. Enhancing the main line signalling in Cornwall is just as important as dualling the A30 and building the Tamar Bridge in keeping Cornwall connected.^
 
Chair of the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership, Chris Pomfret said: ^Transport connectivity is always one of the first issues identified by the business community as a barrier to Cornwall^s economic growth. This investment makes a major step forward in addressing this issue through an enhanced sleeper service and potentially a more regular and resilient link to London and the rest of the country.

^Perhaps, just as importantly, is that this is a real demonstration of a council and LEP and the two relevant rail bodies and the Department for Transport working together to produce a solution that benefits all parties, but most particularly, the people of Cornwall.^
 
First Great Western Managing Director Mark Hopwood said: ^This is just another example of the significant investment that is benefitting customers across our network. At First Great Western we have a great track record of working with local authority partners and the wider rail industry to deliver significant improvements of real economic value for the communities we serve. This upgrade takes the Night Riviera Sleeper product to a whole new level, providing top class accommodation, increasing capacity and introducing a brasserie-style bar area while paving the way for potential future train service improvements.^

Network Rail^s Western Route Managing Director Patrick Hallgate said: ^The South West has a vibrant economy which is experiencing staggering growth in demand for rail travel. That can only be supported by putting in the best possible connections to the rest of the country. Network Rail is proud to be playing a part in that success story."

Work on the Sleeper upgrade will be carried out by Knorr-Bremse RailServices UK.

Managing Director, Paul Goodhand said: ^We are delighted to be involved with the improvement programme being implemented by First Great Western to their Night Riviera Sleeper service. Knorr-Bremse RailServices is carrying out a complete refurbishment on the trains which will make them even more attractive for passengers traveling the Paddington to Penzance route. We share with our customer, First Great Western, their ambition of making this route one of the most pleasurable long distance train routes for passengers in the UK.^


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: FarWestJohn on July 03, 2014, 19:21:17
I wonder if the Long Rock upgrade will include re doubling the line from Marazion to Penzance. This would be very useful if there are to be extra services on the main line in the future plus some through trains from St.Ives to Penzance.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on July 03, 2014, 20:41:43
I wonder if the Long Rock upgrade will include re doubling the line from Marazion to Penzance. This would be very useful if there are to be extra services on the main line in the future plus some through trains from St.Ives to Penzance.

I was wondering exactly the same thing. I doubt it, somehow, but I hope at least the question of whether it would be beneficial/desirable was/is investigated.

I also wonder what the plans are for the Ponsandane sidings. 


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: LiskeardRich on July 03, 2014, 21:52:14
I wonder if the Long Rock upgrade will include re doubling the line from Marazion to Penzance. This would be very useful if there are to be extra services on the main line in the future plus some through trains from St.Ives to Penzance.

Is it even wide enough with the depot in the way, certainly not wide enough at the level crossing into the beach car park at the end of the depot.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: chrisoates on July 03, 2014, 22:45:31
I wonder if the Long Rock upgrade will include re doubling the line from Marazion to Penzance. This would be very useful if there are to be extra services on the main line in the future plus some through trains from St.Ives to Penzance.

Is it even wide enough with the depot in the way, certainly not wide enough at the level crossing into the beach car park at the end of the depot.

Some great diagrams of the original layout here.

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/cornwall-railway-gallery---1-main-line-penzance-to-redruth.html  (http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/cornwall-railway-gallery---1-main-line-penzance-to-redruth.html)


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on July 03, 2014, 22:53:19
I don't think it is possible with the current layout, the main pinch points being those mentioned. I never quite understood why the yard was redesigned to preclude any reinstatement when allowing a bit more space would have left the option open.

It must be about 40 years since the singling happened. The early-mid 70s were very traumatic for this young lad, with the end of the Warships, the singling of the line, the demolition of the water tower and remodelling of the depot and then the end of the Westerns. 


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2014, 20:34:35
It must be about 40 years since the singling happened.

It was 22-24 June 1974.  The mechanical signals in the Penzance station area were retained at that time but everything else out to Marazion was made colour-light and power points http://www.s-r-s.org.uk/pullfree.asp?FilePath=ArchiveSignals\Downloads\brwr&FileName=1974-43w2711.pdf


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Umberleigh on July 04, 2014, 21:31:09
Well that's great news for the sleeper, looks most impressive, but what about the motive power?


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: a-driver on July 05, 2014, 21:26:59
North Pole is the replacement for Old Oak Common as it's currently being refurbished in preparation for IEP. I'm not sure what happens to the HEX fleet, is there room for their site to remain? Obviously the HEX fleet isn't going to be maintained at Long Rock anyway!

North Pole isn't really a replacement for Old Oak Common as it's technically not a Great Western depot but owned by Hitachi.  I would imagine that if FGW wanted to stable HSTs or Turbo's at North Pole they would be charged by Hitachi.
It is rumoured that HSTs may end up being stabled during the daytime at Reading.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 30, 2014, 22:10:04
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30627608):

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'Fatal' Penzance level crossing is permanently closed

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79975000/jpg/_79975736_1267142_649786641712160_1671366721_o.jpg)
Jan Nicholls, 73, died after being hit by a train at the crossing in 2011

A railway crossing where a woman was hit by a train and killed is to be permanently closed.

The Planning Inspectorate ruled the Mexico Inn pedestrian crossing near Penzance should be closed for safety reasons.

Jan Nicholls, 73, died after being hit by a train at the crossing in 2011.

The Open Spaces Society said it was "dismayed" at the decision to close the path which it described as "extremely important".

In response to the decision Network Rail chief executive Mark Carne said: "In my view the safest level crossing is a closed level crossing."

However, Mr Carne said he accepted the "vital role" played by level crossings in "connecting communities".

"In this particular case it's somewhat inconvenient to have to walk a little bit up the road in order to use the barriered crossing," he said. "But given that most people are going for a recreational walk I don't think the risk increase associated with the Mexico crossing justifies it remaining open."

The crossing was closed on a temporary basis in December 2012 after advice from the coroner.

The decision to close the crossing permanently was taken following an inquiry held in October 2014.

Rob Nance, chairman of Friends of Long Rock Mexico Crossing, said: "It's more for the people who just want to get across quickly and have a look at the bay, which includes a lot of elderly people who can't really make the other route."

The Open Spaces Society said the crossing was a popular route and needed by the public to gain access to the beach.

Kate Ashbrook, general secretary, said: "This path is extremely important for local people and visitors. With the other objectors we shall study the decision letter carefully and consider whether we can take the matter further."


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on August 30, 2016, 14:09:59
Does anyone know if/where it's possible to see the plans for the new Long Rock depot expansion, work on which is currently underway? I see the old loading bay at Ponsandane has been demolished. Thanks.



Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: alexross42 on August 30, 2016, 14:25:00
This may be way more detail than you wanted and perhaps not the easiest to navigate but all the planning application documents can be found at:
http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736 (http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736)


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on August 30, 2016, 14:50:51
This may be way more detail than you wanted and perhaps not the easiest to navigate but all the planning application documents can be found at:
http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736 (http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736)

Thank you for this link. There isn't much room to play with there but I was rather hoping that provision would have been made where possible for a reinstatement of the double track to cope with the planned increase in frequency of services on the main line and the extension of more St Ives services to Penzance. In the "down" direction, now that the Mexico level crossing has been closed, double track could be easily extended to the Long Rock level crossing. 


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on September 02, 2016, 15:30:34
This may be way more detail than you wanted and perhaps not the easiest to navigate but all the planning application documents can be found at:
http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736 (http://docs.planning.cornwall.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=PA15/07736)

Thank you for this link. There isn't much room to play with there but I was rather hoping that provision would have been made where possible for a reinstatement of the double track to cope with the planned increase in frequency of services on the main line and the extension of more St Ives services to Penzance. In the "down" direction, now that the Mexico level crossing has been closed, double track could be easily extended to the Long Rock level crossing. 

I couldn't agree more


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on September 24, 2016, 17:23:02

I also wonder what the plans are for the Ponsandane sidings. 

At Ponsandane sidings, New bank and Kings road have been disconnected and it looks like they're being filled in. Sandy bank (the one nearest the road) has been disconnected and it looks like that is being filled in too. Shoots, (the short siding) has been completely lifted and Old bank (the one nearest the running lines) has been relaid and reinstated.

At the east end of the depot, Oil road (where the fuel tanks used to be berthed), Shunt spur and Walter's siding have all been disconnected, presumably in preparation for building the new shed.

KM


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 25, 2016, 18:58:17
Thank you for posting that very detailed 'local knowledge' update here on the Coffee Shop forum, Kernowman.  ;)


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on September 26, 2016, 09:14:56

I also wonder what the plans are for the Ponsandane sidings. 

At Ponsandane sidings, New bank and Kings road have been disconnected and it looks like they're being filled in. Sandy bank (the one nearest the road) has been disconnected and it looks like that is being filled in too. Shoots, (the short siding) has been completely lifted and Old bank (the one nearest the running lines) has been relaid and reinstated.

At the east end of the depot, Oil road (where the fuel tanks used to be berthed), Shunt spur and Walter's siding have all been disconnected, presumably in preparation for building the new shed.

KM

Thank you, Kernowman. I hope that the disconnection of Oil road does not mean that no provision will be made for a future reinstatement of rail-borne fuel delivieries. If there is going to be an increase in frequency of services on the main line to Plymouth/beyond, it could follow that larger quantities of fuel will be delivered to Penzance. In this case, a train of fuel tankers should be more economically attractive than before. 


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on September 27, 2016, 17:14:53

Thank you, Kernowman. I hope that the disconnection of Oil road does not mean that no provision will be made for a future reinstatement of rail-borne fuel delivieries. If there is going to be an increase in frequency of services on the main line to Plymouth/beyond, it could follow that larger quantities of fuel will be delivered to Penzance. In this case, a train of fuel tankers should be more economically attractive than before. 

My thoughts exactly, you've hit the nail on the head there.

KM


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on December 24, 2016, 21:18:23
Albert's siding (just west of the shed) and No 4 running road (behind the shed on the inland side) have also now been lifted in preparation for the new shed, so it may be interesting stabling stock over Christmas day and Boxing day.
KM


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: bobm on December 25, 2016, 10:05:21
I suppose some stock could be berthed in Penzance station over the holiday.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 25, 2016, 10:10:52
I suppose some stock could be berthed in Penzance station over the holiday.
...mmm.  It's sure to be vandalised if its left there... :P


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on December 25, 2016, 16:53:01
I suppose some stock could be berthed in Penzance station over the holiday.
...mmm.  It's sure to be vandalised if its left there... :P
There's nothing in the station but 57605 Totnes Castle and sleeper stock (4 day coaches and 5 sleeper coaches) is stabled just outside the station on Slopers siding at Eastern Green.
Also at Long Rock there's 3 X 150s, 3 x 153s, 1 X 5 coach Voyager, 08410 on a barrier vehicle and 3 spare coaches and 4 x HSTs plus, I suspect, another HST in the shed.
Happy Christmas. ;D
Km


Title: Derailment at Long Rock Depot (Penzance) 20/08/2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 21, 2018, 20:54:46
Well at least it wasn't a 'new' IET....... ::)

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc

Health Warning: Article will progress down the page as each day passes


Title: Re: Derailment at Long Rock Depot (Penzance) 20/08/2018
Post by: bobm on August 21, 2018, 21:33:48
Some good photos but some slight text inaccuracies (ignoring the reference to FGW) if you take a wider view than just Cornwall.

The 05:41 was started from Plymouth.  The 09:00 was indeed cancelled. The 10:00 took a lot of the strain and was reported full and standing.

The 802 unit failure I assume refers to the 07:30 ex Paddington.  As reported elsewhere it was replaced by two 800s which are not cleared over the Devon banks so was swapped for an HST at Bristol.  Whether this was down to a failure, staff shortage or lack of traction knowledge I don’t know.


Title: Re: Derailment at Long Rock Depot (Penzance) 20/08/2018
Post by: bobm on August 22, 2018, 03:26:11
Derailment still causing problems.  This morning’s 09:00 ex Penzance due to start from St Erth instead.


Title: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: grahame on January 12, 2019, 06:20:25
A clue from Pathfinder tours (https://www.pathfindertours.co.uk/events/the-springtime-cornishman/)

The Springtime Cornishman, 13th April 2019

Quote
Option F  – Penzance (1300/1530) or visit GWR Open Day at Long Rock Depot


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on January 13, 2019, 00:59:00
I'm keeping my eyes and ears peeled for the official announcement from GWR...



Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: LiskeardRich on January 14, 2019, 10:02:08
I’ve seen on a bus preservation group about it, because there is plans for a heritage bus shuttle. It’s the same weekend as Penzance bus running day


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on February 12, 2019, 12:54:05
CONFIRMED.

GWR's Long Rock depot in Penzance will be open to the public on Saturday 13th April 2019. Gates open 10am.

Tickets are now on sale. Adult £15, accompanied child £5. With a £0.93 fee per ticket.

All proceeds go the RNLI and Penlee Lifeboat Station.

Ticket purchasing:

https://billetto.co.uk/e/gwr-longrock-tmd-open-day-2019-tickets-331021


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: TonyK on February 12, 2019, 13:51:30
Sadly, I shall be away on that date, and too far to call by.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: Oxonhutch on February 12, 2019, 16:20:05
Oops. Misread it!


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: GBM on February 12, 2019, 17:44:16
Sadly, I shall be away on that date, and too far to call by.
Likewise unfortunately


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: TonyK on February 14, 2019, 10:10:09
Sadly, I shall be away on that date, and too far to call by.
Likewise unfortunately

See you in Kuala Lumpur!


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: GBM on February 14, 2019, 10:40:24
Sadly, I shall be away on that date, and too far to call by.
Likewise unfortunately

See you in Kuala Lumpur!

Wrong continent for us


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: Kernow Otter on March 17, 2019, 13:18:53
Booked for me, and the little Kernow Otter.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on March 17, 2019, 14:42:36
I'm booked too. Sadly, Finn will either have to stay home or, if its overcast and cool, in the car.

Yes, I will be driving down.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on April 13, 2019, 10:27:13
Gates open 25 late.

Delay Repay 15?

 ;D

802008 will be getting the name 'Rick Rescorla'.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: Lee on April 13, 2019, 10:36:53
I'll be joining that football match youve been having with SandT then... http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21398.0  ;D


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on April 13, 2019, 11:08:20
I'll let you off Lee. Took me a while to re-find this topic.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on April 13, 2019, 18:38:05
A grand day was had at a very breezy Long Rock TMD. I'll post a selection of photos here tomorrow. In the mean time, all those I took can be viewed in my Photobucket at the following link. Rough and ready, no editing, some duplicates.

http://s598.photobucket.com/user/bignosemac/library/Long%20Rock%20Open%20Day%2013%20April%202019


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: a-driver on April 13, 2019, 21:55:24
A grand day was had at a very breezy Long Rock TMD. I'll post a selection of photos here tomorrow. In the mean time, all those I took can be viewed in my Photobucket at the following link. Rough and ready, no editing, some duplicates.

http://s598.photobucket.com/user/bignosemac/library/Long%20Rock%20Open%20Day%2013%20April%202019


Roll on next years depot open day.... somewhere in Devon!


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: bobm on April 13, 2019, 22:07:33
Yes I’ve heard Exeter and Laira want to get in on the act. 


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on April 13, 2019, 22:11:35
Laira would be fantastic.


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: a-driver on April 13, 2019, 22:40:01
Laira would be fantastic.

Agreed, given the space Laira has it would make an awesome location for a depot open day. Seems this could become an annual event!


Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: JayMac on April 14, 2019, 16:14:23
A selection of images from the open day.

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Long%20Rock%20Open%20Day%2013%20April%202019/IMG_20190413_101440_zpseabhyz6l.jpg)

(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Long%20Rock%20Open%20Day%2013%20April%202019/IMG_20190413_103335_zpsu5ftqgmn.jpg)

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Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: RailCornwall on April 14, 2019, 21:24:54
Didn't go due to poorly arm. Was delighted to see the son of the Solomon Browne's Assistant Mechanic Nigel Brockman, Martin, taking a lead role in the naming of the IET, in some of the online coverage.

https://www.facebook.com/gwruk/videos/442723006487756/UzpfSTEwMDAwNzQzMjMzNzc4MToyMzE1NzMxMTg4Njg0NjAz/?id=100007432337781&fref=pb&__tn__=%2Cd-a-R&eid=ARA77ySpgubqSwrPdFSiAP37TEoMgYww57NdUFXkrFioecOdwl9LhXHfKjHBTCoHaMLNuwL65D61KfRi&hc_location=profile_browser



Title: Re: 13.4.2019 - Longrock depot open day
Post by: tomL on April 14, 2019, 21:45:36
It was a great day out and have to agree with BNM about the wind!

Here's my input: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132934438@N06/sets/72157679876648968



Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 17, 2020, 15:06:07
Six years apart - Mexico Crossing then and now

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex4.jpg)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 17, 2020, 15:37:11
Anyone fancy telling Google? I don't seem to have much luck with this kind of thing...


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2020, 17:08:51
.....wasn't someone talking about building a wall?


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on October 19, 2020, 14:16:35
Anyone fancy telling Google? I don't seem to have much luck with this kind of thing...

I'll have a bash.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on October 31, 2020, 16:11:59
I have had a reply, and the map has been edited.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50550458833_cb1976f698_w.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551227581_c5c8d956a9.jpg)

I suspect I fared better than you because of my earlier success in a hard-won battle to get my house marked correctly. This wasn't out of vanity, but from having to direct people for the last half-mile from the former petrol station where Google thought I lived.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 31, 2020, 20:18:59
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on November 01, 2020, 17:00:05
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!

I told them that it was closed following a fatal accident and an inquest. That trumps a Marvellous Marvin Mayoral Mandate.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 01, 2020, 17:45:51
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!

I told them that it was closed following a fatal accident and an inquest. That trumps a Marvellous Marvin Mayoral Mandate.

...even when it's backed up by Kye's Careful Car-free Consideration?


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on January 14, 2021, 09:37:19
On 3rd January, Cornwall Railway Society website reports a rumour that there are plans to extend Long Rock Depot with three sidings at Ponsandane to provide extra space. Can anyone confirm or deny?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: broadgage on January 14, 2021, 14:12:47
Sounds a good idea IF true. Hopefully able to take a 10 car, not 5+5 IET. And yes I know that they are not that length now, but planning for the future?

As is well known, I dont think much of IETs, but we are stuck them for many years yet. A future operator might improve them by lengthening and making them into proper inter city units.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 14, 2021, 14:40:26
Sounds a good idea IF true. Hopefully able to take a 10 car, not 5+5 IET. And yes I know that they are not that length now, but planning for the future?

It has been talked about, but I've heard of no definite green light for it to happen yet.

It would certainly be sensible for each road to be able to take two 5-car units, and therefore a 9-car, though looking at the land available getting all three sidings to be the required length might be a stretch.  I would imagine funding would only be provided for the minimum of what is required and I think any thoughts of 9-car trains being extended to 10-car can now be parked in the siding (if you will excuse the pun) for many years given recent events.  On that basis I would not be surprised if something like two 9-car and one 5-car length is what will eventually be provided.  That is pure speculation on my part though.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Andy on January 14, 2021, 23:38:20
Thanks for the replies. I dare say it wouldn't happen until (unless) the industry recovers from the current situation, so probably not for quite some time.
 


Title: Longrock Depot Derailment
Post by: GBM on February 26, 2021, 07:58:27
From journeycheck https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/
08:15 Penzance to London Paddington due 13:29
08:15 Penzance to London Paddington due 13:29 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Bodmin Parkway and Liskeard.
This is due to a derailment within the depot.
Further Information

If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:26/02/2021 02:18

Not sure what that means.
The only cancellation is the 08h15, all other departures from the depot and Penzance seem to have run on time.
Assuming this one derailed but it didn't affect any other lines.



Title: 26/2/21 Depot Derailment
Post by: GWR 158 on February 26, 2021, 11:04:41
08:15 Penzance to London Paddington due 13:29 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Bodmin Parkway and Liskeard.
This is due to a derailment within the depot.

This happened this morning (26/2/21)

Does anybody know what stock derailed?

[Duplicate topics merged - RS]


Title: Re: Longrock Depot Derailment
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 26, 2021, 12:00:43
It was a Class 08 pilot shunter and a seating carriage from the sleeper - this one to be precise:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Long_Rock_Sidings_-_GWR_Mark_3_TSO_12100.JPG


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: Kernowman on February 11, 2024, 17:20:46
The three new sidings at Ponsandane (between Longrock and Penzance) are still not completed. Work started clearing and preparing the site in June 2021, two and a half years ago, the halt in work, I believe, due to awaiting planning permission to move an ariel mast. This is possibly one of the reasons that two of the five nine-car Paddington IET’s that end up in Penzance in the evening spend the night at Laira (One does a local to Plymouth, the other goes ECS). This project is possibly worthy of some kind of ‘Duration’ (other descriptions might also be appropriate) Award, although it’s facing stiff competition from the Lostwithiel Footbridge project for such an award. Another future contender is the St Ives branch with platforms extended in early 2022 for longer trains which, two years later, have yet to materialise.


Title: Re: Long Rock Depot - part of £146 million investment for future
Post by: REVUpminster on February 12, 2024, 18:23:35
Can add Platform 2 at Exeter St Davids, lifts at Torquay and new entrance at Newton Abbot. The last two planning permission is running out.


Title: Re: Long Rock depot, Penzance - facilities, improvements & incidents (merged posts)
Post by: RailCornwall on March 26, 2025, 20:22:37
First use of Ponsandane recorded on Facebook today ....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/384010423010289/posts/1420870669324254/



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