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Title: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: paul7575 on July 14, 2011, 15:26:03
Here we are:

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A ^5bn investment programme to provide more seats and shorter journey times on the Great Western rail route will provide a massive boost to the economies of the south west of England and the Thames Valley, Network Rail has announced today.

Over the next 30 years it is forecast that the benefits to the regions^ economies owing to the improvement programme will be at least double the ^5bn being invested. It will also potentially bring new rail journey opportunities for key urban centres, including Reading, Oxford, Swindon, Bath and Bristol, boosting these economies by an additional ^200m.

The ten-year improvement plan ^ the largest revamp of the Great Western railway since it was built by Isambard Kingdom Brunel 175 years ago ^ was unveiled today by transport secretary Philip Hammond and Network Rail chief executive David Higgins.

Speaking at the launch event at London Paddington station, David Higgins said the investment would turn the Great Western into "the most advanced intercity railway in Britain" and would help drive economic growth across the region.

Electrification, resignalling and new trains will improve journeys and provide the extra capacity needed to cater for a predicted 51% increase in passengers travelling on the route over the next 30 years.


http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/REGIONAL-ECONOMIES-BOOSTED-BY-5BN-GREAT-WESTERN-RAIL-INVESTMENT-17e6/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/REGIONAL-ECONOMIES-BOOSTED-BY-5BN-GREAT-WESTERN-RAIL-INVESTMENT-17e6/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx)


Title: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: anthony215 on July 14, 2011, 15:42:31
Just read it on the bristol evening post website:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/5-billion-boost-Bristol-London-railway-line/story-12939390-detail/story.html

does this mean they will sort out the congestion on filton bank perhaps?



Title: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 14, 2011, 16:15:12
Anyone find any details yet?.....


Title: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: inspector_blakey on July 14, 2011, 16:20:29
Trying to decide if today's announcement is of enough significance to merit splitting off the last few posts and starting its own thread, rather than having it buried several pages down a topic about the possible reinstatement of Adelantes... Thoughts folks?


Title: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 14, 2011, 16:22:05
yup, it's more than just Adelantes - which I'm not sure he said anything about. The stock reference was IEPs....


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: inspector_blakey on July 14, 2011, 16:27:10
I've made the split...the notes to editors at the bottom of NR's press release mention seven 'core packages of work', although apart from electrification and perhaps ERTMS they're a little cagey about what the rest are:

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Notes to Editors:

The Great Western improvement programme comprises seven core packages of work, the largest of which is electrification. The programme will begin with the upgrade of the signalling system between Paddington and Bristol by end of 2011, so that the infrastructure is compatible with electrification technology and ready for the European Rail Traffic Management System (ERTMS).

ERTMS is the world^s most advanced in-cab signalling system and is used to improve reliability, efficiency and safety of the railway. It is currently being implemented on a number of high-speed and freight lines in mainland Europe.

Work to install ERTMS will start by 2016 after electrification. Electrification of the railway between London ^ Bristol, Oxford and Newbury will be carried out in nine phases, starting from Maidenhead in Berkshire.

Electrification of the lines from Paddington to Oxford, Newbury and Bristol will make the railway greener and more efficient. Passengers will also benefit from extra capacity thanks to the Intercity Express Programme fleet of new trains, which was confirmed by the government earlier in the year.

Network Rail is currently tendering for machinery and plant to install overhead power lines as part of the electrification process. The specification calls for machinery which uses innovative techniques to minimise disruption, allowing Network Rail to carry out most of the work within overnight eight-hour windows.


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: paul7575 on July 14, 2011, 17:53:45
Good idea pulling my post from the Adelante thread...

I expect the probable return of the 180s would be a much lower profile affair all round, this is about everything but a few DMUs...

Paul


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 14, 2011, 21:37:08
From the NR press Release................. ???

"The programme will begin with the upgrade of the signalling system between Paddington and Bristol by end of 2011"

I think they mean that work will start at the end of 2011 :-\


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 15, 2011, 09:30:35
"will begin.....by the end of 2011".....


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: paul7575 on July 15, 2011, 11:45:12
OTOH at least one job has to commence now - to finish this Christmas...

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Signalling Solutions Ltd wins ^5 million contract to install Smartlock interlocking technology on Great Western Main Line

25/05/2011

Network Rail has awarded Signalling Solutions Ltd a contract worth approximately five million pounds to install parent company Alstom's Smartlock interlocking technology  for the Crossrail Surface Signalling West Inner relocking project on the Great Western Main Line.
 
The final commissioning date for the new interlockings is Christmas 2011 and will be preceded by a number of rehearsals to prove the new system and minimise disruption to the railway.
 
The contract will see the thirteen existing solid state interlockings (SSI) located and controlled in Slough, replaced by four Smartlock 400T interlockings, located and controlled in Network Rail^s new Thames Valley Signalling Centre in Didcot.

http://www.alstom.com/uk/news-and-events/press-releases/Signalling-Solutions-contract-Great-Western-Main-Line-260511/


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: anthony215 on July 15, 2011, 18:17:32
Another atricle today in the evening post:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Temple-Meads-station-line-revamp/story-12946699-detail/story.html

4 trains an hour to London? and electric local services to Cardiff, Bath etc, are they planning on cutting the Cardiff - Taunton service to  terminate at Bristol TM and have a seperate diesel services from Bristol to Taunton?



Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: paul7575 on July 15, 2011, 19:04:43
Four tph to Bristol after electrification has been the proposal for a while, it was certainly mentioned in the early announcements and was discussed here at the time.  It doen't necessarily mean all four trains will be fast via Bath, some may be routed via Parkway.

Paul


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: anthony215 on July 15, 2011, 20:19:31
hopefully that will allow for some Swansea/Cardiff - London services to run  non stop Bristol Parkway - Reading


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 15, 2011, 22:19:38
Other wsy round - i understand the Bristol bia Parkway are proposed to miss Swindon. I suspect they might become the 'main' Bristol trains - Reading & Parkway stops on at least one.

The via Bath trains might start back at Exeter


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: standclearplease on July 15, 2011, 22:40:09
Are there not already 4tph between Bristol and Paddington? Two from Parkway and two from Temple Meads?

Of course I'm sure they mean 4tph from Temple Meads to Paddington..


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 16, 2011, 01:42:55
There will have to be some stops cut out of the schedule to make a 20-minute saving as advertised.  Better acceleration and linespeed improvements won't be able to do that alone!


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: Henry on July 16, 2011, 10:17:08
   Notice the Firstgroup shares took a positive turn at the close of business.

   Meanwhile long queue's at Totnes TVM because of no booking office yesterday (0830 on a Friday !!!!!).

    Then assisted 2 visually impaired 'regulars' at Teignmouth because of the lack of platform staff.

    Investment/Improvement but is it only west of Exeter that the prescence of ticket office/platform staff
    seems to be an optional extra?.
    Certainly during the days of BR I can remember platform staff at Exeter St Davids in abundance.
    I am aware that FGW has to be a profitable business - but surely their must be a minimum service requirement ?
     ( Or do I suffer from naivety in my advancing years?)
   


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: JayMac on July 16, 2011, 15:28:51
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9141344.Chief_hails__new_age_of_rail_/):

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Chief hails 'new age of rail'

TRANSPORT Secretary Philip Hammond hailed a ^new age of Rail in Britain^ yesterday as Network Rail launched a 10-year, ^5bn development plan for the Great Western Main Line, which links Oxfordshire with London, the West of England and South Wales.

Speaking at London^s Paddington station, where he unveiled a newly-restored section of the station^s roof, Mr Hammond said the aim of the Government and the rail industry was to create a ^21st century railway for a 21st century future^. Network Rail and train operator First Great Western say investment is needed to cope with soaring demand for rail travel. The number of passengers from Oxford has risen by 65 per cent over the past decade.

A number of the developments are already under way, such as the ^67m redoubling of the Cotswold Line between Oxford and Worcester, which is due for completion next month, and the rebuilding of Reading station.

The key element of the programme is the installation of overhead power supplies for electric trains from London to Oxford and Newbury, and from Didcot to Bristol and Cardiff, combined with the introduction of new InterCity Express Programme high-speed trains and new signals.

Electrification work will start in 2014, with the first electric trains between Oxford and London due to run in 2016. Electric services from Didcot to Bristol will start the same year, with Cardiff following in 2017.


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: JayMac on July 16, 2011, 15:38:38
From Bristol 24/7 (http://):

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Bristol to London rail line set to be best in UK

Train passengers in Bristol could reach London Paddington in one hour 20 minutes within five years after Transport Secretary Philip Hammond officially launched a project to make the Great Western Main Line the best in the UK.

Speaking at the launch in London yesterday, Network Rail Chief Executive David Higgins said the ^5bn investment in electrification and resignalling and the procurement of new trains would make the route ^the most advanced inter-city railway in Britain^, providing capacity to cater for a predicted 51% increase in passengers over the next 30 years.

^The case for developing the Great Western Main Line into a railway for the 21st century is above all an economic one,^ said Mr Hammond. ^The transformational 10-year programme that Network Rail is leading will do more than help to meet projected demand for increased passenger and freight journeys; it will deliver a long-term boost to the economies of Wales and the South West.^

Apart from the remodelling of the key junction at Reading which is already underway, work will begin with renewal of the signalling between London and Bristol by end of 2011, making the infrastructure ready for electrification.

Electrification will pave the way for the introduction of about 70 new Super Express Trains.

Meanwhile, Mark Hopwood, the managing director of First Great Western, confirmed talks were under way about revamping Brunel^s Temple Meads station.

Speaking to the Bristol Evening Post, he said: ^We are talking about increasing the number of services between Bristol and London from two to four every hour and getting rid of the need for passengers to stand on our trains. Temple Meads is a lovely station but once these improvements are introduced we are talking about a large increase in passenger numbers. We will have to make improvements to the station in terms of access and also a general refurbishment. The scale of this work means that it is going to be challenging time for everyone involved but it is a challenge worth fighting for.^

Just five more years to wait for that magical 1 hour 20 minute journey time. A massive improvement on the 1 hour 23 minutes that was timetabled in 1990.  ::)

Yeah, I know. Calling patterns and capacity. But still, does rather highlight that headline timings need to be taken in context.


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 16, 2011, 17:34:53
Those 1h20 trips won't stop at Swindon, and go via Parkway


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: anthony215 on July 16, 2011, 17:46:17
I suspect then that they are going to sort filton bank out if they want extra services via bristol Parkway


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: XPT on July 16, 2011, 20:02:25

Just five more years to wait for that magical 1 hour 20 minute journey time. A massive improvement on the 1 hour 23 minutes that was timetabled in 1990.  ::)

Yeah, I know. Calling patterns and capacity. But still, does rather highlight that headline timings need to be taken in context.

Yeah, just looking at my 1990 timetable now. From Temple Meads on Monday-Fridays two fast services to London with 1 hour 23, and 1 hour 24 minutes respectively.

The first is the 0740 service calling enroute at Bristol Parkway and Swindon only, and then just FIVE minutes later the 0745 service calling enroute at Bath Spa and Chippenham only. Another one worth mentioning is the 1545 service calling enroute at Bath Spa and Reading only, and 1 hour 25 mins to London.  Plus there's numerous other services throughout the day with journey times of 1 hour 28/1 hour 29 minutes too, still faster than the normal services nowadays.


I find it a little amusing that when they talk about how the upcoming electrification and new trains will bring much faster journey times of say "22 minutes shorter between Bristol and London" as though it's never been done before. When in fact it was very common place 20 or even 30 odd years ago!

That said though. I'm all in favour of the upcoming electrification, new trains, and "the return" of Bristol-London express services. And I look forward come 2016 to making some journeys on this line onboard these new trains.


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: Rhydgaled on July 17, 2011, 19:08:19
If there's going to be 4tph to Temple Meads, with 2tph via Bristol Parkway, I'm thinking somthing like this might be a good idea:

1tph Paddington, Reading, Bristol Parkway, Newport, Cardiff Central, Bridgend, Port Talbot Parkway, Neath and Swansea.
1tph Paddington, Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway, Newport and Cardiff Central (prefrablly extended to Swansea with the above stops and the above services loosing the Bridgend, Neath and Port Talbot stops).
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Swindon, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
2tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads (taking the stops off the Swansea service and one of the via Bath services)


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: Electric train on July 17, 2011, 19:33:14
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9141344.Chief_hails__new_age_of_rail_/):

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Chief hails 'new age of rail'

TRANSPORT Secretary Philip Hammond hailed a ^new age of Rail in Britain^ yesterday as Network Rail launched a 10-year, ^5bn development plan for the Great Western Main Line, which links Oxfordshire with London, the West of England and South Wales.

Speaking at London^s Paddington station, where he unveiled a newly-restored section of the station^s roof, Mr Hammond said the aim of the Government and the rail industry was to create a ^21st century railway for a 21st century future^. Network Rail and train operator First Great Western say investment is needed to cope with soaring demand for rail travel. The number of passengers from Oxford has risen by 65 per cent over the past decade.

A number of the developments are already under way, such as the ^67m redoubling of the Cotswold Line between Oxford and Worcester, which is due for completion next month, and the rebuilding of Reading station.

The key element of the programme is the installation of overhead power supplies for electric trains from London to Oxford and Newbury, and from Didcot to Bristol and Cardiff, combined with the introduction of new InterCity Express Programme high-speed trains and new signals.

Electrification work will start in 2014, with the first electric trains between Oxford and London due to run in 2016. Electric services from Didcot to Bristol will start the same year, with Cardiff following in 2017.
My my how a political party can change its spots in a decade


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: anthony215 on July 17, 2011, 21:21:45
If there's going to be 4tph to Temple Meads, with 2tph via Bristol Parkway, I'm thinking somthing like this might be a good idea:

1tph Paddington, Reading, Bristol Parkway, Newport, Cardiff Central, Bridgend, Port Talbot Parkway, Neath and Swansea.
1tph Paddington, Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway, Newport and Cardiff Central (prefrablly extended to Swansea with the above stops and the above services loosing the Bridgend, Neath and Port Talbot stops).
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Swindon, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
2tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads (taking the stops off the Swansea service and one of the via Bath services)

I highly doubt you would find any paths to run non stop between Cardiff & Swansea.

personally i think the south wales services should run non stop Bristol Parkway - Reading which should save at least 10 minutes. Passngers requiring swindon should chance at Bristol Parkway, that said there do seem to be a lot of people traveling from south wales to Swindon.


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: tramway on July 18, 2011, 11:38:26
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Bristol to London rail line set to be best in UK

Meanwhile, Mark Hopwood, the managing director of First Great Western, confirmed talks were under way about revamping Brunel^s Temple Meads station.


First I've heard about bringing Brunel's trainshed back into use. You would have thought they would have looked at the rest of the station first.  ;D


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: eightf48544 on July 18, 2011, 12:31:30
Has anyone got the service pattern for the original HST service in the 70s/80s.

Remember doing Reading - Bristol Parkway 70m 72ch in around 40 minutes made breakfast a bit rushed. Also that afternoon Bath to Reading 75m 64 sprint. 113 mph average. Exhilarating


Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: XPT on July 18, 2011, 20:12:13
If there's going to be 4tph to Temple Meads, with 2tph via Bristol Parkway, I'm thinking somthing like this might be a good idea:

1tph Paddington, Reading, Bristol Parkway, Newport, Cardiff Central, Bridgend, Port Talbot Parkway, Neath and Swansea.
1tph Paddington, Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway, Newport and Cardiff Central (prefrablly extended to Swansea with the above stops and the above services loosing the Bridgend, Neath and Port Talbot stops).
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Swindon, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
1tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Chippenham, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads
2tph Paddington - Bristol calling at Reading, Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads (taking the stops off the Swansea service and one of the via Bath services)

think they said the two extra services per hour between Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddy will run via Filton bank and Bristol Parkway. Whether that will be the case we'll have to see. They also haven't indicated what the calling patterns of these extra services will be. I hope they're going to be more limited stop than the current services.  If so, I'd like to see these two services as such.

Service 1
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Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington.  Calling Bristol Parkway and London Paddington.

Service 2
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Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington. Calling Reading and London Paddington.

Service 2 could run via the Bath and Chippenham route though. With departure times from Temple Meads of xx:00, whilst the normal slower services CALLING at Bath, Chippenham, Swindon, etc would now depart at xx:05.



It's all just speculation as to what the calling patterns of these new services will be like. And we all have our own ideas of what we'd like to see. Some people even commented they would like to one of the new services to be a Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington(and vice versa) non-stop service.  Whilst that would be great, I don't think we'll ever be seeing such services as these.



We'll have to see come 2016. Or hopefully a year or so before then when they announce more details and maybe publish timetables of these new services.



Title: Re: Philip Hammond MP launches Great Western Improvement Programme at Paddington, 14 Jul 2011
Post by: ChrisB on July 18, 2011, 21:06:19
Stopping patterns were sort of mentioned for the new services, saying they were running via Parkway, with a running tine that I can longer recall, but had to be fast from Reading to Parkway



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