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Journey by Journey => London to Reading => Topic started by: johoare on June 25, 2011, 00:25:38



Title: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 25, 2011, 00:25:38
I was at Hard Rock Calling in Hyde Park this evening with thousands of other people.. It shouldn't have been a surprise to any one (other than FGW it seems) as it's been planned for ages.. It finished about 22.20 as planned.. So it was bad (but not a surprise as I know FGW don't seem to be that bothered) to see that the 22.59 to Reading was only 2 carriages long.. We just about all squeezed on at Paddington but had to leave people behind at Ealing Broadway.. It was not a pleasant journey at all..

My brother however, travelling north from Kings Cross to Biggleswade, had a nice 8 carriage train..

FGW have got it so wrong again.. >:(



Title: Re: FGW
Post by: insider on June 25, 2011, 08:51:52
FGW are bothered and were aware of events in Hyde Park. The previous two nights (Weds&Thurs),Kings of Leon were on as well.

Services were strengthened where possible.

An additional 4 carriage train to Reading at 2332 was also run Weds-Fri of this week.

FCC have a lot more rolling stock than FGW.


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: ChrisB on June 25, 2011, 09:40:58
Sorry, at that time of night, 15 carriages were possible if infrastructute had allowed! Certainly 9 should have bern used, and were def available!

And if can be done earlier in week, why not last night?

Oh, if heads up are needed, extra stock will agsin be needed tonight (Bon Jovi 3 hour set) and Sunday (Rod Stewart doing a 2 hour set)


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: Ollie on June 25, 2011, 09:52:14
Unfortunately it seems people got to Pad a bit earlier than expected.

23:29 was strengthened and also had an additional 23:32


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 25, 2011, 11:50:23
Well it was advertised to finish at 22.20 (for 22.30 curfew).. So it didn't surprise me what train I was on.. It's only a 10/15 minute walk after all.. ::) ::)

I wish I'd known about the later trains though as I would have waited...


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: ChrisB on June 25, 2011, 12:07:38
Indeed, they weren't mentioned on the websute news/updstes either.

Hyde Park always has a 2230 curfew. Firgotten how many ^000's fine it is per minute over, but it's many....


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: JayMac on June 25, 2011, 12:28:32
Indeed, they weren't mentioned on the website news/updates either.

Now, why doesn't that surprise me?  ::) :P ;)


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: Hafren on June 25, 2011, 13:30:09
Someone must have known the above, and someone must have noticed the crowds. With a bit of communication and a sense of customer service, perhaps an announcement could have been made on the train and the affected stations to reassure passengers that if they chose to wait, extra capacity would be available later.

(I am assuming there weren't any, unless anyone knows differently!)



Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 25, 2011, 14:25:27
Nothing was said on my train..And I heard nothing at Paddington (I was there 15 minutes or so).. The only announcement we had was at Ealing Broadway where the driver apologised for the overcrowding and said he was going to close the doors so we could leave (although it took several attempts to get the doors closed as people weren't happy at being left behind)..


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 25, 2011, 15:20:03
Is the 22:59 booked a 2-car or did something go wrong?

Even without any special-eventers running a 2-car train on that sort of service out of Paddington on a Friday night is asking for trouble anyway.  The 23:29 is also booked a 2-car and can just about cope Monday to Thursday, but is always a squeeze on a Friday.

I'm afraid FGW neglects its late evening passengers from Paddington a little, though to be fair the recent introduction of the 23:42 Fridays Only service has gone some way to correcting issues with the 23:29.


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: bobm on June 25, 2011, 18:02:09
I remember a few months back coming from Marlow to Maidenhead and arriving at about 21:30. The two car unit on the branch was then replaced with a three car for the next branch service and the old unit ran off empty to Paddington.

Is that a regular occurrence or just a one off?  Seems the three car would be better employed on the "main line".


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: anthony215 on June 25, 2011, 18:42:01
When i was there around the same time back in november it was a 2 carriage class 165 with the  other 2 carriage class 165 running empty stock before crossing back over to the line heading towards reading.


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 25, 2011, 22:15:57
I haven't emailed FGW for a while but I have today...

Here is what I said.. I'm starting to guess which of the many cut and paste replies I'll get.... ;D

"I went to Hard Rock Calling in Hyde park last night (Friday 24th June).. Curfew was 22.30 as always is in Hyde Park.. So why oh why was the 22.59 to Maidenhead  not only on platform 14 but also only 2 carriages long?

It was one of the most unpleaant journeys you've created for me, and believe me there have been a few unpleasant ones over the years..

I've heard since that you should may have made trains at approx 23.30 longer and added extra trains in but no one told us that?  I would have waited if  I had known..I had my 12 year old son with me. I wouldn't have put him through what I did had I known...

Please tell me what you are going to do about this?
"


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: hornbeam on June 27, 2011, 14:24:26
My partner was caught up in this from Slough, where it arrived late I recall.

These services tend to be busy at the weekends, and there is no excuse for them being longer as there is the stock. What doesnt help is a few drunk people not moving down inside the train, but doesn't help is the way they are sometimes dealed with. As said its unfair that people are left behind with the attude from FGW is ' tough wait for the next one'.


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 27, 2011, 22:27:55
My partner was caught up in this from Slough, where it arrived late I recall.

These services tend to be busy at the weekends, and there is no excuse for them being longer as there is the stock. What doesnt help is a few drunk people not moving down inside the train, but doesn't help is the way they are sometimes dealed with. As said its unfair that people are left behind with the attude from FGW is ' tough wait for the next one'.

There was definitely no room left for anyone to move down or anywhere on this train.. Unless we sat on other peoples laps.. I think they might have complained...


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: hornbeam on June 28, 2011, 14:12:52
depends on how much they had to drink  ;D


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 28, 2011, 15:32:25
depends on how much they had to drink  ;D

 ;D ;D ::)


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 30, 2011, 20:00:45
I've had a reply from FGW ..I like the bit that says that information about extra services is USUALLY available.. Not sure if I need to take that up with them.. Other than that not too bad a reply I guess..

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Thank you for your email of 25 June 2011

I was very concerned to learn how disappointed you were with the formation/size of our  service back to Maidenhead on 24 June. I realise how disappointing this must've been for you, and I am genuinely sorry that you feel so let down.

I appreciate that you feel we did not provide a sufficient amount of carriages for those returning from the Hard Rock music event. We carefully monitor passenger movements on all areas of the network, to ensure that we provide the right type of rolling stock for each journey. We also have a dedicated Special Events Manager who closely liaises with various events organizers, such as those running the Henley Regatta, Millennium Stadium or football/rugby clubs etc. This helps us to predict the unusually high passenger numbers travelling to/from such events, and were possible, to provide additional services. Indeed, I can confirm that we did provide extra services that evening for those returning from Hard Rock.

We'd very much like to be able to run all of our trains as the larger High Speed Trains (HST's). However, I regret that this just isn't possible, as there simply isn't the rolling stock available to do this. Instead, we have to decide what services to run as the larger trains, and what services to run as the smaller Turbo trains.

Whilst simply adding additional carriages may also seem like an obvious solution, rolling stock is a major challenge for most train operators as there is simply not enough stock available in the UK at the moment. Similarly, we have a duty of care to our regular passengers across our entire network. We must therefore remain mindful of the knock-on effects of adding additional carriages for special events, as these have to be removed from normal services elsewhere. I am sure you can appreciate how this is a difficult balance to achieve. 

You may feel that a train operator should commit to the purchase and construction of extra stock; however this is not always possible if a company is not able to see a return on investment over a relatively short franchise period. I am sorry for the concern that this has caused and I would reiterate that we do monitor our services and make changes where possible.
I was also concerned to learn how disappointed you were with not being told about the additional services that evening. Information about traveling to such events is usually available on our website in advance and customers also have the option to contact our Customer Relations Helpline.

It's clear that you feel let down by the provisions on 24 June, and I really am sorry this is the case. I'll make sure that the details of your case are passed on to the relevant managers, for inclusion as part of their post-event review. They'll be able to take your feedback on-board when planning future rolling stock allocations for music/festival-goers - including how we subsequently advertise such services.

Thank you again for contacting First Great Western.



Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 30, 2011, 20:06:33
Also.. I will be travelling home lateish tomorrow evening.. The Wireless festival has now taken over in Hyde Park it seems (not that I am going to it) ..Finishing at 22.20 The journey planner isn't telling me about additional trains.. or length of trains.. So I'm not quite sure which of the lovely (potentially) overcrowded services to chose from..I can't see anything obvious on FGW's site to tell me either  >:(


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 30, 2011, 20:22:10
And I didn't last very long.. I replied to FGWs email..

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Hello

Thank you for your reply.. I am fairly satisfied with it apart from the part that says "Information about traveling to such events is usually available on our website in advance ".. Usually being the word I'm not sure I'm happy with..I'm pretty sure there was no information on there before last Friday..

I am going to be travelling home tomorrow night late and have found out there is another big gig in Hyde Park. I've had a good look at your website and can find no indication of which extra services you will be running or if in fact you are adding extra carriages to existing trains..Please could you let me know so I can plan my journey.. I can't face a repeat of last Friday night's horrendous journey..

Thanks
Jo


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: ChrisB on June 30, 2011, 21:22:56
Also, there are plenty of turbos running spare at that time of night!

Your reply is referring to timetable changes, not lengthening existing services


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 30, 2011, 21:26:33
Yeah when I read the reply again I realised they were kind of talking rubbish on available trains at that time of night... At least they'll have to reply again at some point.. No doubt the reply will be after tomorrow which is when I need the information for.. I might give the "Customer Relations Helpline" (whatever that is) a call tomorrow to see what they can tell me... :)


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: JayMac on June 30, 2011, 21:32:55
I might give the "Customer Relations Helpline" a call....

08457 000125. Or if you don't have inclusive 08 numbers on your call plan(s) then 01752 675653. I prefer the geographical number as you are also straight through to the queueing system for an advisor and don't have to faff about with, "Press 1 for..." etc.


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: johoare on June 30, 2011, 22:06:48
I might give the "Customer Relations Helpline" a call....

08457 000125. Or if you don't have inclusive 08 numbers on your call plan(s) then 01752 675653. I prefer the geographical number as you are also straight through to the queueing system for an advisor and don't have to faff about with, "Press 1 for..." etc.
Thank you for that bignosemac.. I'll program it into my phone ready for tomorrow (I don't have inclusive 08 numbers hence the disgust as Apcoa Connect and their 0845 number in another thread)... I shall be interested to hear what they say..


Title: Re: FGW get it wrong again
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 23, 2012, 11:56:16
The 23:29 is also booked a 2-car and can just about cope Monday to Thursday, but is always a squeeze on a Friday.

I'm afraid FGW neglects its late evening passengers from Paddington a little, though to be fair the recent introduction of the 23:42 Fridays Only service has gone some way to correcting issues with the 23:29.

Just to say that the 23:29ex Paddington is now a 4-car Turbo as far as Reading where the rear two carriages get locked out of use.  That, along with the 23:42FO service and the additional calls at Maidenhead on several late evening services (see - http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9962.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9962.0)) and the evening service is now hugely improved on what was in place until recently.  Well done FGW!



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