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Title: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: anthony215 on May 20, 2011, 18:08:37 I will be doing the Freedom of severn & solent rover with the 16-25 discount next week starting from tuesday.
I have been told that the ticket is not valid before 9am except for certain services or if the off peak return ticket is valid before 9am. i am ok for tuesday plan's as i wont be starting til 9am but on wednesday i want to do this: 07:30 Cardiff Central - Bristol TM (Arr 08:17) 08:44 Bristol TM - Weymouth (Arr 11:03) According to the FGW website a off peak return is valid to do this service so would i be allowed to use the rover on this train from Cardiff or if not would i be allowed on the 08:30 Cardiff - Portsmouth Hbr service? Also are there any services i should avoid and does anyone know which SWT services from Weymouth are operated using class 444's as i wish to avoid traveling on a class 450 from Weymouth to Southampton Central Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Brucey on May 20, 2011, 18:16:10 I'm in the middle of an 8 in 15 day at the moment and I've not heard of the exception for off-peak times. The FGW leaflet that I've got just lists specific services before 9am.
If this were the case, it would be questionable as to which restrictions applied. E.g. Cardiff to Bristol is not valid until after 0930 (as off-peak day return), whereas Cardiff to Weymouth is valid at any time (subject to no break of journey). Also are there any services i should avoid and does anyone know which SWT services from Weymouth are operated using class 444's as i wish to avoid traveling on a class 450 from Weymouth to Southampton Central I believe most services are 444s. AFAIK, no specific services are booked to be 450s, it all depends on unit availability on the day.Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: anthony215 on May 20, 2011, 18:38:31 Ok Thank You, i have been reading through the rover ticket guide which came with the latest issue of todays railways
Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: paul7575 on May 20, 2011, 18:39:35 I believe most services are 444s. AFAIK, no specific services are booked to be 450s, it all depends on unit availability on the day. There are two booked 450s, but as both are relatively early, you shouldn't see one normally unless there are short term problems. 0725 to Brockenhurst 0820 to Waterloo I can't think of any reason why the diagrams would be different after the timetable change, but it isn't impossible... Paul Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: devon_metro on May 20, 2011, 19:40:15 Monday to Friday: Valid from 0900, plus the following
0722 Axminster - Sailsbury 0827 Swindon to Penzance 0836 Taunton to Bristol Parkway 0839 Patchway to Paignton 0849 Hereford to Bham N Street 0853 Weymouth to Gloucester 0854 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa 0858 Great Malvern to London Paddington Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: JayMac on May 20, 2011, 20:00:13 ....and any journey which has CDR availability before 0900.
But, in true FGW restriction style that gets complicated. Just one example of many.... Yate - Weymouth valid on the 0809. Yate - Yeovil PM, not valid until the 0910. Yate - Westbury, not valid until the 1013. Of course, Break of Journey is allowed with a Rover, but can you break your journey at a station to which the corresponding CDR is not valid? Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Brucey on May 20, 2011, 20:01:50 ....and any journey which has CDR availability before 0900. Is this information to be found in the public domain anywhere? I've never seen it mentioned...Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: JayMac on May 20, 2011, 20:21:22 Aha.... Maybe the Freedom of Severn & Solent is more restrictive than the Freedom of the South West. Probably by omission rather than design though. Rather like the difference in opinion with the valid routes according to published maps. It would be a little perverse to, for example, be able to travel Bristol TM-Weymouth on the 0840 with a FOSW and a Heart of Wessex Day Ranger, but not a FOSS.
FOSW (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/promotions/pr0f61f9c35ce741009c0e3842403e09/details.html) has the, "Available after 0900 (Mondays-Fridays) or when Cheap Day Return is valid (whichever is earlier)," clause mentioned on NRE website. Nice to see ATOC (through NRE) still referring to Cheap Day Returns 3 years after they renamed them! ::) Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: anthony215 on May 20, 2011, 21:38:46 So i could technically travel to Penzance on the following using a freedom of south west rover using the following train since the off peak return is valid:
07:00 Cardiff - Bristol TM (Arr 07:51) 08:10 Bristol TM - Exeter St Davids (Arr 09:10) 09:36 Exeter St Davids - Penzance (Arr 12:42) Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Louis94 on May 20, 2011, 21:39:06 Monday to Friday: Valid from 0900, plus the following 0849 Hereford to Bham N Street I didn't know the rover was valid on London Midland ??? Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: JayMac on May 20, 2011, 22:06:23 Well, the rover IS valid on LM within the mapped validity area, but quite why FGW are including the LM 0849 Hereford to Birmingham on the list of valid trains mentioned on their website is beyond me. Neither Hereford or Birmingham are on the published map. You can legitimately catch the 0849 ex-Hereford from Great Malvern (0918) to Worcester SH on a FOSS or FOSW, but for FGW to suggest those Rovers are valid from Hereford to Birmingham is plain wrong.
Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: devon_metro on May 21, 2011, 12:55:43 Well, the rover IS valid on LM within the mapped validity area, but quite why FGW are including the LM 0849 Hereford to Birmingham on the list of valid trains mentioned on their website is beyond me. Neither Hereford or Birmingham are on the published map. You can legitimately catch the 0849 ex-Hereford from Great Malvern (0918) to Worcester SH on a FOSS or FOSW, but for FGW to suggest those Rovers are valid from Hereford to Birmingham is plain wrong. The FGW website doesn't actually state that. As copied from the FGW website: 0556 Exeter St Davids to Barnstaple 0640 Exeter St Davids to Axminster to Salisbury (train continues to London Waterloo) 0654 Exeter St Davids to Barnstaple 0724 Exeter St Davids to Axminster to Salisbury (train continues to London Waterloo) 0819 Plymouth to Penzance 0826 Exeter St Davids to Axminster to Salisbury (train continues to London Waterloo) 0827 Swindon to Penzance 0836 Taunton to Bristol Parkway 0840 Patchway to Taunton 0843 Barnstaple to Exeter to Exmouth 0849 Hereford to Worcester Foregate Street (train continues to Birmingham New Street) 0850 Weymouth to Gloucester 0854 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa 0858 Great Malvern to Worcester Shrub Hill (train continues to Birmingham New Street) Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: JayMac on May 21, 2011, 13:12:16 The FGW website doesn't actually state that. Agreed. I was referencing your earlier post (0849 Hereford to Bham N Street) and when I looked at the website I saw '0849 Hereford' and didn't notice the 'Worcester Shrub Hill' bit. Still suggesting valid from Hereford though. Maps say otherwise. Can't possibly be an easement to allow an 'out of area' journey on just that one train. How would someone from Hereford get home again? Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Brucey on May 21, 2011, 13:15:10 Still suggesting valid from Hereford though. The text above the list of services even says"You can also use your Rover ticket on the following Monday ^ Friday morning services between the stations indicated:" I read that as being valid from Hereford on that one service only :o The paper leaflet I have (obtained from BRI), does not list this service. Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: bobm on May 21, 2011, 13:35:55 Hadnt realised the SW Rover was valid on the 07:30 from Paddington to Penzance after Swindon. Presumably it's ok to buy a ticket from Reading to Swindon and then take up the Rover on the same train?
Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: anthony215 on May 21, 2011, 15:09:31 yes it should be providing the train actaully stops at that station which it does
Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Brucey on May 21, 2011, 15:11:26 FOSS is a leisure travel pass, so the train doesn't need to stop at the station where you change tickets (it simply needs to pass through, provided your other ticket is not a leisure travel pass).
Quote from: NRCoC 19. Using a combination of tickets You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they cover the entire journey and one of the following applies: (a) they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit their use); (b) the train you are in calls at a station where you change from one ticket to another; or (c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does not include Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not. You must comply with any restriction shown on the tickets relating to travel in the trains of a particular Train Company or Train Companies (see Condition 10). If you do not comply with this Condition, you will be treated as having joined the train without a ticket and the relevant parts of Condition 2 or 4 will apply, either to the entire journey, or from the last station where the train stopped at which at least one of the tickets was valid. For the purposes of this Condition, a ^leisure travel pass^ means any multi-journey ticket (excluding Season Tickets) valid for: (i) at least 7 consecutive days; or (ii) at least 3 days in a period of at least 7 consecutive days and includes rover tickets, travel passes, flexipass tickets and Britrail passes. Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: anthony215 on May 29, 2011, 12:02:28 Just wondering i purchased my rover ticket last wednesday, now the ticket says its valid until 31st may, so can i use it on tuesday? since i have not used the 3 days of it yet.
Title: Re: Severn & solent rover ticket question Post by: Brucey on May 29, 2011, 12:05:50 Yes, it is valid on the day shown on the ticket. Your seven days are Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
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