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Title: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 22, 2011, 21:11:04
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12254592):

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An investigation has started after a rail passenger in Essex got his foot stuck in the doors of a train as it started to pull away.

Mark Simpson from Rayleigh eventually managed to pull himself clear but said he is worried someone else might not be so lucky.

National Express East Anglia has said it is looking into what happened.


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: SDS on January 22, 2011, 21:48:18
That's what happens when you enter through a door when the doors are closing and the door closing alarm going off.

Had one yesterday while I was dispatching. Idiot put his foot in the door, and waited. He eventually got the hint and removed said foot (intact). Train then developed a fault and the driver couldnt get interlock despite open and closing the doors twice.
Someone then re-setted a few buttons and the train left 6 late.
All because of some inconsiderate moron.

I spoke to him afterwards as he wanted to know his next train. I just said why you'd do it, "oh I thought it was like the underground and the doors would re-open".


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 22, 2011, 22:02:36
If the incident did indeed occur as described in the BBC news video (which, as ever with these sorts of stories is a fairly big "if") then there were two faults; one on the part of the driver for not checking that the doors were properly closed and everyone clear of the train before pulling away. The second would be that there must have been a fault with the interlock that doesn't allow the brakes to be released until all doors are proven closed. This can be isolated for example, and was partially to blame for a train pulling away from Liverpool Street in February last year with all doors on the offside of the train open; see the RAIB bulletin on the incident here (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/bulletins_2010/bulletin_05_2010.cfm).


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: Toiletdriver on January 22, 2011, 23:13:22
That's what happens when you enter through a door when the doors are closing and the door closing alarm going off.

Had one yesterday while I was dispatching. Idiot put his foot in the door, and waited. He eventually got the hint and removed said foot (intact). Train then developed a fault and the driver couldnt get interlock despite open and closing the doors twice.
Someone then re-setted a few buttons and the train left 6 late.
All because of some inconsiderate moron.

I spoke to him afterwards as he wanted to know his next train. I just said why you'd do it, "oh I thought it was like the underground and the doors would re-open".

And then the passengers who are on time are penailsed by an idiot who turns up late!

And who gets the blame???

Any member of railway staff near by :'(

And if a door is damaged, who really gets the blame for a cancellation?

FGW.

Is that fair???


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: devon_metro on January 23, 2011, 00:22:24
SDS pad, the man was leaving the train.

Still, it seems odd that a train would be able to start moving with doors open (loco hauled excepted)  ???


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: SDS on January 23, 2011, 01:13:09
Im thinking what happened to interlock?

Was a similar incident at Huntingdon a while ago. (http://raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2007/report112007.cfm)


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: Brucey on January 23, 2011, 09:35:26
Don't all trains have a Passcomm next to the doors anyway which he could've pulled?


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: JayMac on January 23, 2011, 09:54:00
Bit difficult to pull a passcom when you are on the platform with your trailing leg stuck in the doors of a moving train!


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: Brucey on January 23, 2011, 09:57:06
Bit difficult to pull a passcom when you are on the platform with your trailing leg stuck in the doors of a moving train!
I assumed he was stuck inside the train with his foot in the door.  Watching the video again, it does seem he was stuck outside the train.


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: Phil on January 23, 2011, 10:26:23
I have to say, this would have been a more newsworthy story if it had been one of the cows referred to elsewhere that had got trapped in the doors.


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: readytostart on January 23, 2011, 10:44:47
I suppose his trouser leg could have become caught in the door which would give interlock, though a sharp tug should have freed the fabric if that were the case.
I'm sure I read somewhere that his girlfriend was still on the train, so in theory she could have pulled a pass-com. Of course that would mean she'd read the safety instructions as no doubt requested.


Title: Re: Man trapped in moving train doors
Post by: smithy on January 24, 2011, 17:40:53
if it was indeed a foot stuck then the train should not have been able to gain brake release,doors have got a traction interlock circuit that should have been broken if door was any more than 1" open.
if there was a fault that would explain why crew never realised as the BIL light would not have been on.



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